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Markets down - Invest now or wait further?

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What do you all think about the market situation given the oil crisis / coronavirus pandemy? Good time to invest in stock market or better to wait for further drops?



I'm a bit surprised there are no posts on this topic at the forum - What are you thinking about investment opportunities?



Link to guardian article quoting biggest stock market fall since 2008 crisis:

https://www.theguardian.com/business...nancial-crisis


Curious to hear your thoughts!
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What do you all think about the market situation given the oil crisis / coronavirus pandemy? Good time to invest in stock market or better to wait for further drops?



I'm a bit surprised there are no posts on this topic at the forum - What are you thinking about investment opportunities?



Link to guardian article quoting biggest stock market fall since 2008 crisis:

https://www.theguardian.com/business...nancial-crisis


Curious to hear your thoughts!
Invest in masks and hand disinfectant
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Old 12.03.2020, 20:30
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Re: Markets down - Invest now or wait further?

I think we will reach peak hysteria soon once it goes out of control in the US and the US investors start to panic.

There are already quite a few bargains around, but there's no hurry...
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Old 12.03.2020, 20:36
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Re: Markets down - Invest now or wait further?

One of Germany’s best know data scientists put the current crash in relative numbers into context with previous crashes: http://www.dkriesel.com/blog/2020/03..._nebeneinander

TLDR: wait.
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Re: Markets down - Invest now or wait further?

I have 100% of liquidity (sold everything a couple of months ago) and I would start gradually investing , the more it drops, the more I would invest (preferably in mutual funds such as LU0070212591 or similar). The problem is that I don't have the tools to invest in CH....as I am still trying to understand how things work here .
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Re: Markets down - Invest now or wait further?

TVIX for those willing to risk?
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Re: Markets down - Invest now or wait further?

Soon it could be the opportunity of a lifetime but not yet.
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Re: Markets down - Invest now or wait further?

The opportunity of a lifetime were TSLA options last Summer.
I saw a video of somebody who had a thousand of them at 2€ - they peaked over 10000 at the top of the frenzy.
Of course, he sold them at a small loss...
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Re: Markets down - Invest now or wait further?

I'll keep doing what I've always done. Invest x000 CHF in shares etc. every couple of months.
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The opportunity of a lifetime were TSLA options last Summer.
I saw a video of somebody who had a thousand of them at 2€ - they peaked over 10000 at the top of the frenzy.
Of course, he sold them at a small loss...
there are opportunities of a lifetime all the time.

yes, hyped stuff such as tesla, bitcoin, etc.

but also boring stuff like facebook, amazon, starbucks.

if the cruiselines survive this episode, they're also likely to be multi-baggers.
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Soon it could be the opportunity of a lifetime but not yet.
Its all about profiting from a calamity. Nice!
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Its all about profiting from a calamity. Nice!
You have a point.... i did wonder if doing this would bring bad karma.
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Its all about profiting from a calamity. Nice!
Another way to view it would be that of buttressing one's ability to cope / survive impending crisis.
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TVIX for those willing to risk?
Index and inverse ETFs have been very good to me in chaotic times. For someone that has the time to watch the news and intraday moves closely, I think there is definitely potential with TVIX. It's easy to get caught unprepared though.
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Good times yesterday. Did you happen to give it a try?
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Good times yesterday. Did you happen to give it a try?
During 2009-2013 I did value investing and shorting. That kind of stuff is too risky now.

Also, I'm currently paying debt. Nothing beats the "yield" of paying debt in advance.
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Re: Markets down - Invest now or wait further?

hello, and thanks for any help! do you know a trustworthy site i can buy stocks with minimal hassle and small transaction cost? regarding these transaction costs, is it the case that under a certain investment amount it's not worth investing anyway really? how much is too pointless? Thanks for any help you can give me.

i was going to ask for stock or fund suggestions but i think you have to pay for that right? isnt that how you make a switzerland?
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TVIX for those willing to risk?
You need to hurry if you still intend to play that monster.

TVIX
VIIX
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More or less the same applies to
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They will still be tradeable OTC until the respective note falls due sometime in 2030-2032, but you should expect significant spreads.

Here's the announcement by CS.
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I have 100% of liquidity (sold everything a couple of months ago) and I would start gradually investing , the more it drops, the more I would invest (preferably in mutual funds such as LU0070212591 or similar). The problem is that I don't have the tools to invest in CH....as I am still trying to understand how things work here .
Just open an account with your bank. Not sure for all but I am with Post Finance and you can add trading account within your bank account online, few clicks that's it.
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Hi,



What do you all think about the market situation given the oil crisis / coronavirus pandemy? Good time to invest in stock market or better to wait for further drops?



Curious to hear your thoughts!

I read that the average (US) bear market since 1945 drops about 33%. Right now we are just into bear market territory.


Invest some right now but expect some further drops. No-one can exactly time the bottom of a bear market so a gradual approach is my suggestion. Some of your purchases will be "too early" and some will be "too late" but in the fullness of time putting money into the markets during downturns does tend to pay off.


As a counterpoint I have a colleague who liquidated all of his investments in 2007 and early 2008 (very well timed) but then did not reinvest in 2008,9 or 10 as he was still "waiting for the bottom". He stopped talking about his investments by 2011 but I assume at some point he plowed his money back into the markets, but he missed a good bit of the rebound from the GFC.
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