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That is clear. As SitU said, they asked for information/tax filing, didn´t get it so they made an educated guess/valuation.


Für die Steuerperiode 2018 haben Sie keine Steuererklärung eingereicht. Entsprechend wurde eine Einschätzung nach pflichtgemässen Ermessen vorgenommen. Die Veranlagung ist mittlerweile rechtskräftig. Wir empfehlen Ihnen diese umgehend zu begleichen.



You didnt file your taxes. So they made a calculation what they thought should be the amount, informed you on that and that you now have to pay as the timeline to contest this is over.


If you do not have the money, ask them if you can pay in installments?
By checking the documents they have now from me, they can see that i paid the tax. Why should i pay again?
I only earned CHF 2000 in December. Now i have to pay CHF 1750. I really don't have any savings as i can barely survive with the current job i have.
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Old 19.05.2020, 16:56
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By checking the documents they have now from me, they can see that i paid the tax. Why should i pay again?
I only earned CHF 2000 in December. Now i have to pay CHF 1750. I really don't have any savings as i can barely survive with the current job i have.

From what you write here, you were asked to file taxes, for whatever reason. You didn´t and now they send you this bill.


Yes, it can happen even when you are taxed at source. A lot of people with a B permit that are taxed at source still have to file.


You´ll get it back, eventually, if you paid too much.
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Old 19.05.2020, 17:07
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Here is what they say:

Für die Steuerperiode 2018 haben Sie keine Steuererklärung eingereicht. Entsprechend wurde eine Einschätzung nach pflichtgemässen Ermessen vorgenommen. Die Veranlagung ist mittlerweile rechtskräftig. Wir empfehlen Ihnen diese umgehend zu begleichen.
So you were request to do a tax declaration. You though do not have do, so you didn't, so they just made up some numbers against which you did not reject, now you have to pay.

Once again: The law does not says that permit B or students in general do not have to do a tax declaration. It says that under certain circumstances you might not be requested to do a tax declaration. When you are asked to do a tax declaration you do so. You did not follow proper procedure, you did not use the correct forms, and specially you never formally objected.

The problem is that you are complaining now. There might have been a chance in February when you got the bills. Nevertheless, you might try to request a "Wiedereinsetzung in den vorigen Stand" (you have only 10 days from receiving the above e-mail !!) and state that you never ever received a Einschätzungsentscheid against which you had the chance to formally object.
You would also have to explain how it is possible that you never got letters from the tax office.
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Old 19.05.2020, 17:10
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You´ll get it back, eventually, if you paid too much.
No. He most likely wont get back anything for the 2018 tax period. The bill is final and can no longer be contested.
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So you were request to do a tax declaration. You though do not have do, so you didn't, so they just made up some numbers against which you did not reject, now you have to pay.

Once again: The law does not says that permit B or students in general do not have to do a tax declaration. It says that under certain circumstances you might not be requested to do a tax declaration. When you are asked to do a tax declaration you do so. You did not follow proper procedure, you did not use the correct forms, and specially you never formally objected.

The problem is that you are complaining now. There might have been a chance in February when you got the bills. Nevertheless, you might try to request a "Wiedereinsetzung in den vorigen Stand" (you have only 10 days from receiving the above e-mail !!) and state that you never ever received a Einschätzungsentscheid against which you had the chance to formally object.
You would also have to explain how it is possible that you never got letters from the tax office.
When I got the bills, I asked my friend to help me write an email to them in German. I sent the letter together with Lohnausweis to them via post.

I really didn't receive this Einschätzungsentscheid. I always keep all the letters i receive. I went through them and i cannot find anything. Might be because I changed my address several times that they sent it to my previous addresses. What i received in January is "Zahlungserinnerung Direkte Bundessteuer", but this is for the canton and the amount is less (CHF 111). It's really confusing!
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Re: Tax warning

What permit do you have?
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What permit do you have?
I have a B permit for studies.
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Old 19.05.2020, 17:24
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I have a B permit for studies.

Better check with them if they have you listed as a C permit holder. As Doropfiz said initially, this is strange. I never had to pay the Bundessteuer separately when I was taxed at source (and filed).
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Better check with them if they have you listed as a C permit holder. As Doropfiz said initially, this is strange. I never had to pay the Bundessteuer separately when I was taxed at source (and filed).
I have already sent an email to them saying that I have a B permit for studies and that I am not from the EU, but the lady asked me if i am willing to pay in installments. It seems like i have to give them all my salary for December.
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Old 19.05.2020, 18:03
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Re: Tax warning

I've read here on EF that when they calculate the tax you owe, it's based on what your annual salary would be had you worked a full 12 months. Thus why you might have been asked to file.

My guess is they're not looking at the 2,000 you made in one month but instead the 24,000 you would have made if you'd worked the full year. Plus maybe penalties and interest if this is from 2018?
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I've read here on EF that when they calculate the tax you owe, it's based on what your annual salary would be had you worked a full 12 months. Thus why you might have been asked to file.

My guess is they're not looking at the 2,000 you made in one month but instead the 24,000 you would have made if you'd worked the full year. Plus maybe penalties and interest if this is from 2018?
Thanks! I sent them the Lohnausweis for 2018 two months ago. There, it is clearly written how much money i earned for the whole year. Is there any other document that can prove how much i earned? It's not like I ignored what they asked me to show. I thought after going to the tax office for the first time, the issue was resolved. I always pay my bills even ahead of time, and I care about the rules. This is just getting on my nerves!
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Old 19.05.2020, 18:22
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I've read here on EF that when they calculate the tax you owe, it's based on what your annual salary would be had you worked a full 12 months. Thus why you might have been asked to file.

My guess is they're not looking at the 2,000 you made in one month but instead the 24,000 you would have made if you'd worked the full year. Plus maybe penalties and interest if this is from 2018?
Good point, happened to me as well. Nasty tax bill.......
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Thanks! I sent them the Lohnausweis for 2018 two months ago. There, it is clearly written how much money i earned for the whole year. Is there any other document that can prove how much i earned? It's not like I ignored what they asked me to show. I thought after going to the tax office for the first time, the issue was resolved. I always pay my bills even ahead of time, and I care about the rules. This is just getting on my nerves!
Can you post an anonymized version of the first letter you got?
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Can you post an anonymized version of the first letter you got?
I talked to them and I found out that the letter was sent on 10th of Jan with 30-day objection period. I was on holiday from 9th of Jan till 15th of Feb. I have the ticket to prove i wasn't at home at that time. Two weeks after i came back, I went to the tax office personally and the lady copied all the documents and asked me to send everything via post one more time which i did.
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Re: Tax warning

are you still employed by the university ? if so, I would check with them... they may have coded something in wrong (as others have also guessed, probably the system has you listed as a C permit holder or Swiss citizen).


Another option: contact a tax agent. That will cost you money.


As for the actual bill, all you have to do is to ask for a payment plan. Tell them your actual current income, and tell them you can pay if it is split over 6 or even 9 months...



They will send you separate pay-in-slips for monthly payments.
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are you still employed by the university ? if so, I would check with them... they may have coded something in wrong (as others have also guessed, probably the system has you listed as a C permit holder or Swiss citizen).


Another option: contact a tax agent. That will cost you money.


As for the actual bill, all you have to do is to ask for a payment plan. Tell them your actual current income, and tell them you can pay if it is split over 6 or even 9 months...



They will send you separate pay-in-slips for monthly payments.
I don't want to pay cause the tax is already deducted from my salary. If they made a mistake, they should be able to solve this issue i guess. I don't find it fair to pay the whole money that i worked for to them. I will check with the HR.
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Re: Tax warning

UPDATE: I went to the cantonal tax office to talk to the person responsible for my case (the name written on the letter I received). He wasn't there, but they called him and i talked to him. I told him the story with the proof of me being away at the time I received the letter (my friend was staying at my place and he picked up the warning letter). I sent a copy of my plane ticket to show I was actually away at that time. I had sent a letter at the end of February together with the tax form for 2019 and after going through my documents, he found it. Anyway, the issue is resolved as i received a letter from him that I don't have to pay for 2018 that I have to sign and mail it. Thank you everyone for helping me out.
@3Wishes what you said was exactly correct. They were looking for the tax for the missing 11 months
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Re: Tax warning

It's actually amazing how poor and inefficient the tax processing system is here. I generally find Switzerland very well run and my dealings with local government have been very good but it baffles me how complicated taxes are. Most people just have a salary and maybe own a home. It really shouldn't be that difficult to calculate how much tax is owed and process the tax form in a few minutes. This whole nonsense of waiting years for a final tax bill/refund is a joke. I got a final letter from Zurich for the 2016 tax year in October 2019 claiming I owed them money (I moved to Zug in 2017). It turns out their calculations were wrong and they owed me money. I finally got the payment in my account in 2020 (almost 4 years later haha).
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It's actually amazing how poor and inefficient the tax processing system is here. I generally find Switzerland very well run and my dealings with local government have been very good but it baffles me how complicated taxes are. Most people just have a salary and maybe own a home. It really shouldn't be that difficult to calculate how much tax is owed and process the tax form in a few minutes. This whole nonsense of waiting years for a final tax bill/refund is a joke. I got a final letter from Zurich for the 2016 tax year in October 2019 claiming I owed them money (I moved to Zug in 2017). It turns out their calculations were wrong and they owed me money. I finally got the payment in my account in 2020 (almost 4 years later haha).
Depends where you live. My kids, with very simple tax affairs get there bill settled by about July. My own is usually done by November. I've never had to wait over a year for a rebate. Usually six months.

The UK tax authorities are way way worse. And the tax system is far more complex.
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Most people just have a salary and maybe own a home.
That's usually not the reason the final bill is late. Perhaps unless the home is in the UK, in which case you'd be barking up the wrong tree.
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