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Why Cantons donít use web based software or SaaS?

The current electronic process is that if you want to submit your tax returns then you can either do it via paper form or via a software that you need to download from the Cantonal website. The software does get updated from time to time and you constantly have to check for the latest updates and install the updates.

Furthermore, you definitely have to download the latest software from the Cantonal website for the new tax year every year. I am wondering why the Cantons canít just have this done on a web based system where all the updates are done automatically and the public donít have to wait until March to download New Years tax software and can start completing their tax returns from Jan as all the yearly statements come around this time and stays fresh on the mind?
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Old 28.06.2020, 12:48
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Re: Why Cantons donít use web based software or SaaS?

No idea but in Kanton Zurich the website is available some time in January.

Most of the documents I do not have yet in January so it doesnīt bother me.
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Re: Why Cantons donít use web based software or SaaS?

If Kanton Zurich can do it then Iím surprised why other Kantons canít follow suit?

Another added benefit of web based systems will be that you can use Google translate easily for some of the difficult to understand tax rulings in German. Another neat feature they could add is a running total tax payable on top of every page so that the user can decide if declaring certain deductions will be worth their while in gathering various documents to prove their deductions.

Even with all the electronic advancements, the current system is still reliant on printing the form, signing it and posting it via einschriben. Iím sure it could all. E done electronically Environmental friendly without wasting trees.

If our dinosaur HMRC can go online with the Self Assessment and digital signature then Iím sure all the Swiss Kantons can follow suit.
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Re: Why Cantons donít use web based software or SaaS?

As I have no clue where in Switzerland you are.....my bank sends me a document that I can upload with the latest information, most of the other information I can just upload from the previous year, leaves me fairly little to add. And yes, you can calculate any time to see what the impact is.

Iīd imagine that most Kantons have an online tool/software you can download.

Where are you that your Kanton does not offer this?
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Re: Why Cantons donít use web based software or SaaS?

I now never allow automatic updates. IĎve been burned a few times.
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Old 28.06.2020, 15:03
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Re: Why Cantons donít use web based software or SaaS?

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If Kanton Zurich can do it then Iím surprised why other Kantons canít follow suit?
How many Kantons do you actually have experience of? In Bern we have done it via the web for a few years now.
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Old 28.06.2020, 15:18
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Re: Why Cantons donít use web based software or SaaS?

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The current electronic process is that if you want to submit your tax returns then you can either do it via paper form or via a software that you need to download from the Cantonal website. The software does get updated from time to time and you constantly have to check for the latest updates and install the updates.

Furthermore, you definitely have to download the latest software from the Cantonal website for the new tax year every year. I am wondering why the Cantons canít just have this done on a web based system where all the updates are done automatically and the public donít have to wait until March to download New Years tax software and can start completing their tax returns from Jan as all the yearly statements come around this time and stays fresh on the mind?
They do now for Kt. SO
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Re: Why Cantons donít use web based software or SaaS?

I don't get all the formes needed until at least April, and I do mine in September at the earliest, so I fail to see the problem.

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Old 28.06.2020, 19:46
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Re: Why Cantons donít use web based software or SaaS?

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...a web based system where all the updates are done automatically and the public donít have to wait until March ...
The web based system won't be updated until March, so you won't win.
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Old 28.06.2020, 19:50
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Re: Why Cantons donít use web based software or SaaS?

You trust the internet?
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Re: Why Cantons donít use web based software or SaaS?

VaudTax generally becomes available mid to end January, but there's not that much you can do anyway at that time. My revenue statements (retirement) don't usually turn up until end January and much the same with the banks. I never send anything back by snail mail to the tax authorities. The tax declaration is returned by the tax software and any supporting documentation is sent on request by being scanned and uploaded with the software.
I feel rather securer doing that way than on a website.
I would also not be totally happy trusting Google to translate a tax form.
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Old 28.06.2020, 21:14
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Re: Why Cantons donít use web based software or SaaS?

Last year I lived in Italy they had just started the switch to a web interface for tax declarations, it was quick and painless. I totally recommend this type of service, where available.
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Old 29.06.2020, 11:55
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Re: Why Cantons donít use web based software or SaaS?

The "Bundesrat" is pressing for a digitalization of the tax declarations (https://www.bote.ch/nachrichten/schw...177490,1248466). However, the actual tax collection is still a matter of the Cantons, which means that each Canton essentially is on its own in how it wants to approach the issue (i.e. paper, CD-rom software, downloadable software, online form).

My biggest gripe at the moment is that:
- the various banks are only slowly providing electronic tax statements, so-called "eSteuerauszŁge" (that can be imported directly into the tax form. The number of banks that provide this has gradually increased (https://www.steueramt.zh.ch/internet...snachweis.html) but still missing some of the bigger banks, e.g. ZKB and Postfinance (I mean after all they are government-owned entities, which should have an incentive to be at the forefront of this);
- they invariably charge an extra fee for what should be included as part of their standard service.

In the same vein:
- health insurances in part already provide "tax summaries" that can be used to fill out the tax declaration. This would also be an area where a "eHealthInsuranceCostSummary" might be something to explore.
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Old 29.06.2020, 11:58
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Re: Why Cantons donít use web based software or SaaS?

Be careful in Zurich. There are two online Versions: ZHprivateTax and ZHprivateTax-light.

The light version is limited in functionality regarding data export and import of previous years.

For the full online version the data flow is only possible from the previous year Private Tax (standalone) into ZHprivateTax. Data can not be edited online and offline.

PS: Which canton does not have an online version ???
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Old 29.06.2020, 13:39
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Re: Why Cantons donít use web based software or SaaS?

I prefer having the installed software anyway.
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Re: Why Cantons donít use web based software or SaaS?

You can use this service for a web-based tax submission in several cantons:


https://etax.ch/



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Old 30.06.2020, 11:18
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Re: Why Cantons donít use web based software or SaaS?

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Same here, but I do use the online system to postpone the submission deadline to the 15. November.
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Re: Why Cantons donít use web based software or SaaS?

Same here, luckily in TG we still have local software.
I like that I can prepare the tax declaration calmly, compare it with previous years, try different settings (like is it worth it to go and collect those extra documents for proof of deductions? or would it not make any difference in the end?), all locally. And in the end send the result. Adding documents is also much easier than uploading to some website. And less scamming/phishing potential.


Maybe I'm just too old. Kids probably want some mobile app nowadays.
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Re: Why Cantons donít use web based software or SaaS?

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Re: Why Cantons donít use web based software or SaaS?

An acquaintance told me that the so called digital natives (kids who grew up with the computers) are somehow assuming software is easy to do.
Well, it isn't. At least not a well thought-out, reliable one. Especially as a web service with myriads possibilities for security holes not the smallest part of it. And then the web technologies shift all the time, as a single canton maybe you don't want to pay for the continuous adaptation to browser, cloud and server technologies.
So, if a canton has a viable existing solution, they don't rush to pour out money for a more fancy toy, but probably wait out to see which one of the early adopters gets the best solution and may then just buy into it.
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