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Dual residency UK & CH = double social security?

I'm planning to leave Switzerland for UK for a new job, but in case things don't work out I'd like to keep open a plan B of going back to CH for a while.

I'm non-EU on C permit so once I deregister it's final here, no going back. Thus I'm considering doing it only at the last possible moment - at 6 months after the move. Which means that while I'll be working my UK job I'd still be officially considered a resident in Switzerland

Does anyone how this plays out with social security payments (AHV and NI)? UK employer has no choice but to deduct NI from my paycheck, and at the same time I'm afraid swiss AHV Kasse will be asking me what do i do and for 10% of my UK pay. Will I really have to pay double social security to both countries until I deregister from CH? Or is there some analogue to double taxation relief but for social security?
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Re: Dual residency UK & CH = double social security?

Please see para. 3-4 at this link for answers to your questions (German):

https://www.steueramt.zh.ch/internet...StB-Nr-5-2.pdf
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Re: Dual residency UK & CH = double social security?

Hello,

I believe the best solution is to suspend your C permit (https://www.legalexpatgeneva.com/mai...living-abroad/) which automatically stops any tax/duty in CH. You can however come back to CH and enable it back, without doing again all the paperwork.

A friend of mine just did it recently (GVA --> APAC --> GVA) and followed this process.

Paolo
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Hello,

I believe the best solution is to suspend your C permit (https://www.legalexpatgeneva.com/mai...living-abroad/) which automatically stops any tax/duty in CH. You can however come back to CH and enable it back, without doing again all the paperwork.

A friend of mine just did it recently (GVA --> APAC --> GVA) and followed this process.

Paolo
If OP is being sent to the UK by his current Swiss employer, that's probably a valid reason to put the permit on hold. The reasons are a bit limited. If OP has found a new job for a different employer and just wants to "try it out", AFAIK that's not a valid reason to put the permit on hold.
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I believe the best solution is to suspend your C permit (https://www.legalexpatgeneva.com/mai...living-abroad/) which automatically stops any tax/duty in CH. You can however come back to CH and enable it back, without doing again all the paperwork.

A friend of mine just did it recently (GVA --> APAC --> GVA) and followed this process.
Like the other posted said, this might not be an option for me as I'd working for a new UK firm, completely unrelated to CH. Were GVA and APAC employers related for your friend?
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Re: Dual residency UK & CH = double social security?

Brexit transition phase will end this year, nobody knows what comes afterwards. Especially non-EU's may well get thrown under the bus by Boris.

You could try to get accepted as "WochenAufenthalter" by ZH authorities, with workplace in the UK. You'd need to keep your center of life in Switzerland. Main evidence are that your family, if any, stay here, plus regular return to CH by you (given the distance and travel times probably at least every fortnight). The additional 6 months after your last visit should remain, enabling you to stretch the test phase well into what is likely to be post-transition Brexit.

Expensive, especially if flight schedules and prices don't return to anything resembling what used to be normal. But given the uncertainty it may still be worth it.
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Expensive, especially if flight schedules and prices don't return to anything resembling what used to be normal. But given the uncertainty it may still be worth it.
The flights I have booked for July are cheaper than the same time last year, August flights about 50% cheaper.

I just checked ZH to LHR is 48 CHF on 6 August returning a week later for 57 CHF, this is with SWISS, the cheapest return flights I could get last year were almost 400
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The flights I have booked for July are cheaper than the same time last year, August flights about 50% cheaper.

I just checked ZH to LHR is 48 CHF on 6 August returning a week later for 57 CHF, this is with SWISS, the cheapest return flights I could get last year were almost 400
That may still reflect the requirement to quarantine that was lifted recently, certainly that reduced demand by quite a bit.
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That may still reflect the requirement to quarantine that was lifted recently, certainly that reduced demand by quite a bit.
I think roughly 80% of the flying public are in no hurry to fly, the flights I had booked were between safe corridors agreed from 1 June.
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Re: Dual residency UK & CH = double social security?

If you were to maintain your primary residence here, then you could potentially apply to the SVA for a form A1, which effectively works like a DTA but for social security (you pay in your home base only). This works with EU countries but I don't know exactly what effect Brexit will have on this after 1 Jan - you might have to read the social security coordination section of the UK-CH agreement (and again, I don't know how it would affect non-EU, non-Swiss citizens).
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If you were to maintain your primary residence here, then you could potentially apply to the SVA for a form A1, which effectively works like a DTA but for social security (you pay in your home base only). This works with EU countries but I don't know exactly what effect Brexit will have on this after 1 Jan - you might have to read the social security coordination section of the UK-CH agreement (and again, I don't know how it would affect non-EU, non-Swiss citizens).

Ah, according to FAQ (https://www.svazurich.ch/pdf/A1_FAQ.pdf), it seems it's only for CH/EU-citizens, but thanks for the info!
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