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Phil_MCR 18.11.2020 18:18

I lost >70k in the stock market in less than 1 year
 
when I sold shares in Nov/Dec to put down a deposit on my house.

this was pre-coronavirus.

i recorded the shares and share value at time of sale into a separate portfolio so that i can track how much i lose on the deposit.

roegner 18.11.2020 18:22

Re: I lost >70k in the stock market in less than 1 year
 
Portfolio went down a LOT during Covid 19 (almost 25%) but is now 5% plus again. And that is the average.

fatmanfilms 18.11.2020 18:25

Re: I lost >70k in the stock market in less than 1 year
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Phil_MCR (Post 3240308)
when I sold shares in Nov/Dec to put down a deposit on my house.

this was pre-coronavirus.

i recorded the shares and share value at time of sale into a separate portfolio so that i can track how much i lose on the deposit.

Join the club, I paid a deposit in December & liquidated stock to pay the balance in March. The property is undoubtedly worth less than I paid & the stocks would be worth more. I don't like property as an investment, being married is expensive :msnblush:

Phil_MCR 18.11.2020 18:30

Re: I lost >70k in the stock market in less than 1 year
 
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Originally Posted by fatmanfilms (Post 3240311)
Join the club, I paid a deposit in December & liquidated stock to pay the balance in March. The property is undoubtedly worth less than I paid & the stocks would be worth more. I don't like property as an investment, being married is expensive :msnblush:

in March! :eek:

Capetownian 18.11.2020 18:31

Re: I lost >70k in the stock market in less than 1 year
 
You must have been pretty pleased at the end of March though? Think of the poor chaps that signed for a house in Feb and had to pay in April :-)

fatmanfilms 18.11.2020 18:34

Re: I lost >70k in the stock market in less than 1 year
 
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Originally Posted by Capetownian (Post 3240316)
You must have been pretty pleased at the end of March though? Think of the poor chaps that signed for a house in Feb and had to pay in April :-)

It was in France, we completed 7 days into lockdown, April would have made no difference as I had liquidated in December & January at prices significantly lower than today.

HickvonFrick 18.11.2020 18:36

Re: I lost >70k in the stock market in less than 1 year
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Phil_MCR (Post 3240308)
when I sold shares in Nov/Dec to put down a deposit on my house.

this was pre-coronavirus.

i recorded the shares and share value at time of sale into a separate portfolio so that i can track how much i lose on the deposit.

How much have you saved in rent cf. mortgage payments in this time? I imagine a good portion of that 70k?

22 yards 18.11.2020 18:45

Re: I lost >70k in the stock market in less than 1 year
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Phil_MCR (Post 3240308)
when I sold shares in Nov/Dec to put down a deposit on my house.

this was pre-coronavirus.

i recorded the shares and share value at time of sale into a separate portfolio so that i can track how much i lose on the deposit.

You've lost nothing.

You failed to make the gain that your share portfolio would have made over that time. But you still have the value that you owned in Nov/Dec, and more, as you own real estate now that will appreciate and that provides you with far better shelter than your shares.

By the same token, I lost $6 billion when I didn't invest $1,000 in Bitcoin @ $0.003 apiece, in March 2010.

Next time, if you think you can beat a 3-4% yield, keep your shares and take out a Lombard loan.

Village Idiot 18.11.2020 19:09

Re: I lost >70k in the stock market in less than 1 year
 
Margin loans at Interactive Brokers are under 2%. Even if you don't normally trade on margin, it's handy to set it up ahead-of-time in case you ever need money quickly and don't want to liquidate your position.

Village Idiot 18.11.2020 19:14

Re: I lost >70k in the stock market in less than 1 year
 
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Originally Posted by 22 yards (Post 3240325)
You've lost nothing.

You failed to make the gain that your share portfolio would have made over that time. But you still have the value that you owned in Nov/Dec, and more, as you own real estate now that will appreciate and that provides you with far better shelter than your shares.

I read this as the OP losing money because he had to sell in a depressed market. Eg, he was sitting on a position of XOM that was worth CHF200k when he bought it back in January, but it's fallen to CHF130k by the time he was 'forced' to withdraw it. That is a real loss.

It is also a CHF70k lesson as to why the common advice is not to invest money that you'll need in the next 5 years.

Phil_MCR 18.11.2020 19:22

Re: I lost >70k in the stock market in less than 1 year
 
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Originally Posted by HickvonFrick (Post 3240321)
How much have you saved in rent cf. mortgage payments in this time? I imagine a good portion of that 70k?

12k-24k depending on how you measure it

Dr Mick 18.11.2020 21:37

Re: I lost >70k in the stock market in less than 1 year
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by fatmanfilms (Post 3240318)
It was in France, we completed 7 days into lockdown, April would have made no difference as I had liquidated in December & January at prices significantly lower than today.

Stocks tend to go up over time, so it's not surprising that today's prices are higher :)

NotAllThere 18.11.2020 21:41

Re: I lost >70k in the stock market in less than 1 year
 
Profit not realised is no profit at all. "If I'd have waited another month..."

Mug's game.

22 yards 19.11.2020 02:10

Re: I lost >70k in the stock market in less than 1 year
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Village Idiot (Post 3240338)
I read this as the OP losing money because he had to sell in a depressed market. Eg, he was sitting on a position of XOM that was worth CHF200k when he bought it back in January, but it's fallen to CHF130k by the time he was 'forced' to withdraw it. That is a real loss.

It is also a CHF70k lesson as to why the common advice is not to invest money that you'll need in the next 5 years.

I'm reasonably sure that Phil didn't realise a real loss, partly because he didn't post to agree with your assessment ;), but mostly because of this:
Quote:

Originally Posted by Phil_MCR (Post 3240308)
i recorded the shares and share value at time of sale into a separate portfolio so that i can track how much i lose on the deposit.

He has been tracking the value of his former portfolio so he can work out just how much he has "lost" since he disposed of it, not at the time of disposal. A bad case of cognitive dissonance, a sort of reverse buyer's remorse. Well, seller's remorse, I guess.

Again, taking Bitcoin as my example, I have been hodling assiduously since 2017. Throughout that time I have missed several opportunities to make a killing by selling high, then rebuying low, rinsing and repeating (including the obvious opportunity, when Bitcoin plunged to less than $5,000 in March this year on the back of global COVID lockdowns). Now BTC is going through $18,000. So I lost $13,000 per coin.

Except I didn't, because I still own those coins and they're worth a lot more than I paid for them. IF (and that's a big if) I sell them now, I'll make several times my initial investment in profit. If not, I continue not to have made or lost anything.

slammer 19.11.2020 09:28

Re: I lost >70k in the stock market in less than 1 year
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by fatmanfilms (Post 3240311)
Join the club, I paid a deposit in December & liquidated stock to pay the balance in March. The property is undoubtedly worth less than I paid & the stocks would be worth more. I don't like property as an investment, being married is expensive :msnblush:

Does T know she is an expensive investment😶?

Talk to you later 19.11.2020 09:56

Re: I lost >70k in the stock market in less than 1 year
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Phil_MCR (Post 3240308)
I lost >70k in the stock market in less than 1 year


70k must be like weekend grocery shopping for a rich man like you :p


Quote:

Originally Posted by fatmanfilms (Post 3240311)
Join the club, I paid a deposit in December & liquidated stock to pay the balance in March.


Why did you not take out a mortgage for the balance?

fatmanfilms 19.11.2020 10:11

Re: I lost >70k in the stock market in less than 1 year
 
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Originally Posted by Talk to you later (Post 3240480)

Why did you not take out a mortgage for the balance?

I don't qualify as my income is tiny. I live from capital gains on investments. I also don't like geared investments, especially when asset prices are so high.

wantone 19.11.2020 13:02

Re: I lost >70k in the stock market in less than 1 year
 
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Originally Posted by fatmanfilms (Post 3240481)
I don't qualify as my income is tiny. I live from capital gains on investments. I also don't like geared investments, especially when asset prices are so high.

Don't you draw a pension?

fatmanfilms 19.11.2020 14:21

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Originally Posted by wantone (Post 3240537)
Don't you draw a pension?

All taken as cash, I am 58 so no pillar 1.

krlock3 19.11.2020 14:48

Re: I lost >70k in the stock market in less than 1 year
 
This thread is the EF equivalent of clickbait. Is the OP receiving advertising revenue?


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