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None - it is too risky enterprise 4 5.97%
Few thousand CHF - low exposure to risk 9 13.43%
Several ten thousands CHF - medium exposure to risk 21 31.34%
Several hundred thousand CHF - high exposure to risk 15 22.39%
Above the million CHF - no risk averse 11 16.42%
None of your business 7 10.45%
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Old 10.01.2021, 23:04
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I have 50% stocks, 50% real estate.

I can sleep well with both investments, but I would say real estate gives me more headaches as it comes up with problems that you have to deal with (new tenants, fixing roof etc.) whereas with stocks, the only thing that really gives you hassle to deal with is if your company gets bought out and you have to reinvest the cash (and even then you can just ignore it).

That said, real estate is more passive for me as 90% of the time, I do nothing and the money just rolls in, it's just once in a while that I have to deal with stuff. Whereas with stocks, I'm usually looking more or less every day to see what's going on and maybe tweak the portfolio. Then again, I'm also able to leave it alone and ignore it for a few days if I'm busy (e.g. if on holiday).

Plus stocks are far more scaleable, you can just double, triple or 100x your investments and it works out fine. Imagine if you had to deploy $100m into real estate: it would probabaly take months to even deploy and afterwards be a full time job and more to manage. With stocks you could invest it in seconds and have nothing else to deal with.

You can compound with real estate but it is manual process of getting cash, extracting more leverage and buying more property in a very lumpy fashion. With stocks you and just reinvest dividends (often automatically). In fact, you can just set an automatic monthly purchase and fully automate everything (zero touch). That you can't do with property.

Although you can have a hybrid approach e.g. for my UK property, I have the rents go automatically each month into Fundsmith so it compounds that way.
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I have 50% stocks, 50% real estate.

I can sleep well with both investments, but I would say real estate gives me more headaches as it comes up with problems that you have to deal with (new tenants, fixing roof etc.) whereas with stocks, the only thing that really gives you hassle to deal with is if your company gets bought out and you have to reinvest the cash (and even then you can just ignore it).

That said, real estate is more passive for me as 90% of the time, I do nothing and the money just rolls in, it's just once in a while that I have to deal with stuff. Whereas with stocks, I'm usually looking more or less every day to see what's going on and maybe tweak the portfolio. Then again, I'm also able to leave it alone and ignore it for a few days if I'm busy (e.g. if on holiday).
In my case, on the contrary. I have the agent that manages all my real estate and deals with maintenance issues, new tenants and etc. ... btw: Shit, just forgot that tomorrow is scheduled the annual general meeting in the clubhouse for which I forgot to nominate the proxy. Well, will write them an apology email instead.

The stocks seem to occupy most of my admin time because I’m getting more involved with different themes. Also would probably opt to change the investment platform due to their fees. What would be the process of transferring shares from one brokerage to another e.g. SQ to IB?
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I have 50% stocks, 50% real estate.

I can sleep well with both investments, but I would say real estate gives me more headaches as it comes up with problems that you have to deal with (new tenants, fixing roof etc.) whereas with stocks, the only thing that really gives you hassle to deal with is if your company gets bought out and you have to reinvest the cash (and even then you can just ignore it).

That said, real estate is more passive for me as 90% of the time, I do nothing and the money just rolls in, it's just once in a while that I have to deal with stuff. Whereas with stocks, I'm usually looking more or less every day to see what's going on and maybe tweak the portfolio. Then again, I'm also able to leave it alone and ignore it for a few days if I'm busy (e.g. if on holiday).

Plus stocks are far more scaleable, you can just double, triple or 100x your investments and it works out fine. Imagine if you had to deploy $100m into real estate: it would probabaly take months to even deploy and afterwards be a full time job and more. With stocks you could invest it in seconds and have nothing else to deal with.

You can compound with real estate but it is manual process of getting cash, extracting more leverage and buying more property in a very lumpy fashion. With stocks you and just reinvest dividends (often automatically). In fact, you can just set an automatic monthly purchase and fully automate everything (zero touch). That you can't do with property.

Although you can have a hybrid approach e.g. for my UK property, I have the rents go automatically each month into Fundsmith so it compounds that way.
Are your properties in the uk or Switzerland or both?
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the whole process of picking right stocks is very exciting to me. I’m rather cautious investor and besides studying the performance indices, i have to know the company via their products. In the first years of investments, i used to follow my instincts and read a lot. Currently, mu success rate in choosing the right companies is 87%, meaning out of 15 at least 13 are increasing in value.
That's good, although I am not sure whether this is the right measure in this market.
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Plus stocks are far more scaleable, you can just double, triple or 100x your investments and it works out fine. Imagine if you had to deploy $100m into real estate: it would probabaly take months to even deploy and afterwards be a full time job and more. With stocks you could invest it in seconds and have nothing else to deal with.
Talk about bragging If I can help you investing 100m in real estate, pls PM

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Are your properties in the uk or Switzerland or both?
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Re: How much you are able to invest in stock market?

Your poll is missing an option... 50 Euros, plus minus 10 Euros or so and the small change I find under the couch from time to time.

But in all seriousness i would not know how to start, which is annoying when I read how people here on EF talk about stocks and shares. You guys make it sound so easy to earn godzillians of Euros and Franks and gold pressed latinum on the stock market and I feel stupid that I have no idea on how to do this.
I admire the people who can and I know that there is something there to be had but I would not know where to put the screwdriver so to speak.
Then you see an advert in Yahoo or some other budgie liner rag and It makes me want to scream at the S.O.B.´s who write that had I invested 100 Euros 10 years ago I would now have a yacht in Cannes with eye-candy crew. Or something in that line.
Maybe in the next life then, hey!
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Your poll is missing an option... 50 Euros, plus minus 10 Euros or so and the small change I find under the couch from time to time.

But in all seriousness i would not know how to start, which is annoying when I read how people here on EF talk about stocks and shares. You guys make it sound so easy to earn godzillians of Euros and Franks and gold pressed latinum on the stock market and I feel stupid that I have no idea on how to do this.
I admire the people who can and I know that there is something there to be had but I would not know where to put the screwdriver so to speak.
Then you see an advert in Yahoo or some other budgie liner rag and It makes me want to scream at the S.O.B.´s who write that had I invested 100 Euros 10 years ago I would now have a yacht in Cannes with eye-candy crew. Or something in that line.
Maybe in the next life then, hey!
And that’s one of the frankliest answers. If it were so simple everyone would do it.
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And that’s one of the frankliest answers. If it were so simple everyone would do it.
20 years ago, maybe even 10 or 5 years ago, there might have been a point when you had to call a broker to make a trade and pay £25 a trade or something ridiculous.

now you can buy funds and fractional stocks with zero commission on your phone with an app. there's also a lot of advice and knowledge on web/youtube with people who will walk you baby steps through the process so that anyone even with zero knowledge of finance/investing and little in funds can still easily invest in low-cost trackers and get market returns (which in the past decade were pretty decent).

in recent years, investing really has been opened up to a lot of people which cheap platforms and plentiful free information. i guess the biggest limit is still that most people are struggling to make ends meet and don't have the luxury of having much spare money to invest in the stock market.
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Your poll is missing an option... 50 Euros, plus minus 10 Euros or so and the small change I find under the couch from time to time.

But in all seriousness i would not know how to start, which is annoying when I read how people here on EF talk about stocks and shares. You guys make it sound so easy to earn godzillians of Euros and Franks and gold pressed latinum on the stock market and I feel stupid that I have no idea on how to do this.
I admire the people who can and I know that there is something there to be had but I would not know where to put the screwdriver so to speak.
Then you see an advert in Yahoo or some other budgie liner rag and It makes me want to scream at the S.O.B.´s who write that had I invested 100 Euros 10 years ago I would now have a yacht in Cannes with eye-candy crew. Or something in that line.
Maybe in the next life then, hey!
If in a state of utter confusion and terror maybe just go for MSCI world. If you invest in (nearly) everything you can't make a wrong decision!

Pretty much all of us on here like Fundsmith / Smithson - you could try that.

Generally you have to make a commitment to throw yourself in. You can't learn to swim without getting wet.
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Talk about bragging If I can help you investing 100m in real estate, pls PM
Do you run a REITs?
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Re: How much you are able to invest in stock market?

I had a look a while back and was given some advise that I should only use money that I can afford to lose, a line which like contemplating one hand clapping or if anybody can hear a tree falling, will send me drooling into a zen-like state.

I think I´ll probably give it another go as I really need someway to beef up my meagre pension when it comes a-rolling in in only a few years.
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Your poll is missing an option... 50 Euros, plus minus 10 Euros or so and the small change I find under the couch from time to time.

But in all seriousness i would not know how to start, which is annoying when I read how people here on EF talk about stocks and shares. You guys make it sound so easy to earn godzillians of Euros and Franks and gold pressed latinum on the stock market and I feel stupid that I have no idea on how to do this.
I admire the people who can and I know that there is something there to be had but I would not know where to put the screwdriver so to speak.
Then you see an advert in Yahoo or some other budgie liner rag and It makes me want to scream at the S.O.B.´s who write that had I invested 100 Euros 10 years ago I would now have a yacht in Cannes with eye-candy crew. Or something in that line.
Maybe in the next life then, hey!
The only reason you do not know how to invest in stocks is because you don't educate yourself and make the effort to spend some hours reading up on the basics. There is literally no other reason why you do not know how to invest in stocks. No-one is born knowing the basics of how to invest in stocks, so maybe it's better to waste less time on the "woe is slammer" spiel and just get on with investing the time to learn things like this.
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20 years ago, maybe even 10 or 5 years ago, there might have been a point when you had to call a broker to make a trade and pay £25 a trade or something ridiculous.
That sounds like the dream! For “compliance” reasons I have to hold my investments and trade through my employer. I’m doing well if I can get the cost per trade under 1% and that’s with employee rates. At least now if I’m prepared to wait a day, I can cycle the currency through Revolut and back and avoid the FX commission if I’m buying non CHF securities. The only upside is it gives me access to Lombard lending if I want it.

I could invest directly in funds, but when I looked into doing this with Fundsmith the account opening process was so complicated that I ended up putting it on the back burner and lost quite a bit of time in the market, before biting the bullet and paying my employer instead. On the plus side that meant being able to buy CHF units and not having to worry about FX commissions.

On topic... our first priority was to buy and renovate the property we wanted. Since doing that pretty much all spare cash beyond the tax savings account, emergency fund and pillar 3 gets invested in a mixture of low cost index equity funds and actively managed equity funds. Pensions are also invested as far as permitted in equities.
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Re: How much you are able to invest in stock market?

I very much recommend the Monevator.com website for anybody wanting to get a basic knowledge of investing (stocks and bonds).
I am a Market Risk manager by trade, and was perfectly comfortable with 80% stocks allocation (broad index ETFs, recently liquidated most of it to buy a house) as I have a long time horizon, measured in decades. If you have a shorter time horizon to retirement, then you probably would not want to go quite so aggressive.
In the current markets I would be wary of shifting a large lump sum over to stocks as we are clearly in an asset bubble. But don't worry too much if you are building a portfolio saving bit by bit over time, remember that falling stock prices means that you can buy more next time!
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Re: How much you are able to invest in stock market?

I agree that the absolute value question doesn't make much sense, and the proportion of (liquid) assets would make more.

Also, the "how much are you able" title does not match with "how much would you venture to" question in the poll.

Currently I am targeting at least 75% of my liquid assets to be in equities.
The rest is distributed across other asset classes, to diversify.
In a decade or so those 75%* will certainly [OK, most probably, eyebeebe ] be >1M, so there is the answer to "venture to".
Today's "able to" answer is >100K.

* On the other hand, as years go by, I will reduce that proportion and the risk by diversifying more into other assets.
Today I am "aggressive" due to age and human capital (career ahead).

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And that’s one of the frankliest answers. If it were so simple everyone would do it.
It really is so bloody simple:
1) You open an account with a broker that doesn't charge exorbitant fees for your investment schedule (plenty have been mentioned around here, and you need to apply to your own case to decide which one works for you)
2) You buy on a regular basis (monthly/quarterly/yearly/whatever you like) into literally 1 instrument - an All-World ETF (from Vanguard, Blackrock, etc.)
3) You sit and do nothing else than 2) for decades

Don't venture into the stock-picking game because it will be a loser's one in majority of the cases, and even more so if you have no interest, skills or motivation to learn to do it.
Some will swear by actively managed funds - here you also need to do your own research and due dilligence to decide which managers would you trust.

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I agree that the absolute value question doesn't make much sense, and the proportion of liquid assets would make more.

Also, the "how much are you able" title does not match with "how much would you venture to" question in the poll.

Currently I am targeting at least 75% of my liquid assets to be in equities.
The rest is distributed across other asset classes, to diversify.
Within a decade or so that 75% will certainly be >1M, so there is one answer to "venture to".
Today's "able to" answer is >100K.
Which OS version is your crystal ball using?
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Which OS version is your crystal ball using?
Rational reasoning v1.2

I'll report back if I still have access to the forum then.
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