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Old 20.05.2021, 13:19
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Before the iphone, phones seemed to be all commodity priced. Yet that changed.

I'm pretty sure desirable brands like Mercedes etc. are actually no more profitable than more value brands in the car industry. In other words, they aren't actually quality brands that have high ROCE.

I suspect Tesla will be able to shake that up somewhat, especially if it can get economies of scale. And cut out the middle men dealers, and sell ancillary charging devices etc. and potentially get into the self driving stuff.
We don't have to wait that long to see the outcome of all this. Q2, Q3 and Q4 2021 global sales.
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Old 20.05.2021, 13:24
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Pick-up trucks are not a big thing here, but are you aware of F150 EV launch?

This is a watershed moment. With US incentives the initial purchase price of 40K USD, decreases to 31-32K. About ~8K less that a Tesla Model 3. I have not yet talked to friends in the US, but the deal is you get a F-150 for the price of a Nissan Leaf (until the Ford EV incentives expire). Also, utility companies will fight to get these things.

Ford went to the neck of the pick-up truck segment. Tesla has a nice but old luxury sedan (model S) and the luxury SUV (X) which are competitive but the segments are low sales volume. The Model 3 has nothing iconic or remarkable. The main selling point was being the most affordable serious EV. At least in the US that point is gone for a while. On this side of the Atlantic, VW is churning out small electric SUVs while Tesla is building the the new Berlin airport.....sorry a new manufacturing plant in Grünheide. So, when the model Y arrives to Europe it will already have a dozen well established competitors.

Tesla had a 10 year advantage once, but it seems they quit the race and are just enjoying their memories of their remarkable past achievements.
Mmmmm the Cybertruck will wipe the F150 off the planet.
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Old 20.05.2021, 13:26
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I see it as the iphone question. I'm a person almost entirely unconcerned with fashion and brands and who likes a good deal. Yet want an iphone each time. I know it, its reliable and it works. Yes its probably overpriced but I just don't are.

I think people will buy Tesla's even if they are more expensive because they have got that brand pulling power. They turn heads and are seen as desirable and cool. A Nissan Leaf is neither.
Agree on the Leaf, but now with the German premium makers going heavily into EV, I cannot see that Tesla maintains market share in these segments. Sure, in absolute terms they will grow, but competition is coming big time.
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Old 20.05.2021, 13:32
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Re: Dogecoin

All good with electric vehicles projections but we gotta wait until the semiconductor industry recovers first crippled by the chip shortage lately. That’s the major building block of all electronics in EV’s.

https://www.motorbiscuit.com/tesla-avoid-chip-shortage/
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Old 24.05.2021, 15:18
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The doG fights back! And seemingly pegged with the BTC right now with a 13% rise so far for both...I have a feeling both will now hit their records...
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Old 24.05.2021, 16:05
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The doG fights back! And seemingly pegged with the BTC right now with a 13% rise so far for both...I have a feeling both will now hit their records...
Frankly, I would stay away from those joke coins after the tremendous crypto crash and wait until serious candidates recover. Lots of serious investors, myself included would want to see the DeFi and Ethereum based projects grow with real world application outside of finances and speculative frenzy. Crypto’s need some rest.

https://www.benzinga.com/node/21250654

https://qz.com/africa/2011167/forget...al-is-pivotal/
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Old 25.05.2021, 10:08
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Re: Dogecoin

Here is exactly the reason explained why I don’t wanna jump on a wagon of something that grows out of meme culture:
https://www.cnn.com/2021/05/24/inves...sla/index.html
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Old 25.05.2021, 10:13
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Frankly, I would stay away from those joke coins after the tremendous crypto crash and wait until serious candidates recover. Lots of serious investors, myself included would want to see the DeFi and Ethereum based projects grow with real world application outside of finances and speculative frenzy. Crypto’s need some rest.

https://www.benzinga.com/node/21250654

https://qz.com/africa/2011167/forget...al-is-pivotal/
Humans have been placing value in shiny things like gems and gold with no intrinsic use since time began. Crypto is just the latest incarnation of this phenomena. These so called joke coins will continue to be valuable as long as people are willing to keep investing in them. The value is man made.

One of my children collects Pokemon cards, and you wouldn't believe the money that some of these cards are bought and sold for!
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Old 25.05.2021, 10:23
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Humans have been placing value in shiny things like gems and gold since time began. Crypto is just the latest incarnation of this phenomena. These so called joke coins will continue to be valuable as long as people are willing to keep investing in them. The value is man made.

One of my children collects Pokemon cards, and you wouldn't believe the money that some of these cards are bought and sold for!
I agree. It’s a free world, people will buy whatever they want for whatever reason and as far as Doge goes, you really need to read some Reddit on it to know what it‘s a little bit about.

I was thinking the other day, because of technology and innovation life is a lot easier than in the 80s and 90s. Just walk on a bus and your ticket is your phone, send money through your phone to somebody else (Twint), paying parking meters without coins, banking/buying shares on your phone, self scanning at supermarkets for a few items when you‘re in a hurry, etc, etc. There‘ll be a use for everything in the end and kind Crypto is my thing right now...we won‘t see such huge benefits until further down the line but I trust in everything, well almost.
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Old 25.05.2021, 10:41
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Humans have been placing value in shiny things like gems and gold with no intrinsic use since time began. Crypto is just the latest incarnation of this phenomena. These so called joke coins will continue to be valuable as long as people are willing to keep investing in them. The value is man made.

One of my children collects Pokemon cards, and you wouldn't believe the money that some of these cards are bought and sold for!
Lots of those shiny things are useless. Speaking of which there might be interesting breakthrough in shiny things that will find practical application.

https://www.thefirstnews.com/article...chnology-22153
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Old 25.05.2021, 12:47
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https://www.bloombergquint.com/globa...k-reuters-says

Wealthy means investment banking. So, it seems it's a thing only for the poor
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Humans have been placing value in shiny things like gems and gold with no intrinsic use since time began. Crypto is just the latest incarnation of this phenomena. These so called joke coins will continue to be valuable as long as people are willing to keep investing in them. The value is man made.

One of my children collects Pokemon cards, and you wouldn't believe the money that some of these cards are bought and sold for!
The difference for gems and gold vs. bitcoin is that historically in a world where human life was otherwise basic they were deemed pretty and were used as status symbols. Kings wore them and we decorated churches in them. So they did have another use.

Pretty has value otherwise people wouldn't pay premiums for paint, fashion, home decor, art etc

I do agree that the value of gold and gems today is not supported by their intrinsic use value, but historically it was different
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The difference for gems and gold vs. bitcoin is that historically in a world where human life was otherwise basic they were deemed pretty and were used as status symbols. Kings wore them and we decorated churches in them. So they did have another use.

Pretty has value otherwise people wouldn't pay premiums for paint, fashion, home decor, art etc

I do agree that the value of gold and gems today is not supported by their intrinsic use value, but historically it was different
Also to say that Gold or gems have no intrinsic use is just not true. Sure they are overpriced but Gold is used extensively in electronics and diamond has many different uses in industry.
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Re: Dogecoin

Saw this one on twitter a few moments ago, the things that provide liquidity to lots of crypto trading keep growing (~100 Billion USD).


https://www.theblockcrypto.com/data/...ce/stablecoins

Can the people that gave their cash for tether and USD coin ever see their cash one day?
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Wealthy means investment banking. So, it seems it's a thing only for the poor
I'm not a finance person - but aren't you mixing up supply side and demand side.
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How low will bitcoin go in this crash?

I'm guessing around 10K USD. Any other thoughts? Remember there's no wrong answer folks.
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How low will bitcoin go in this crash?

I'm guessing around 10K USD. Any other thoughts? Remember there's no wrong answer folks.
I would say 20k to 25k (worst case just over 15k). Its hard to imagine falling closer to 10k.
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Old 28.05.2021, 19:40
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It will bounce back to 40k.

Personally, I would be happy if the whole crypto space disconnected from Bitcoin’s rally and became self sustainable more focused on DeFi and its viable projects based on Ethereum

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I would say 20k to 25k (worst case just over 15k). Its hard to imagine falling closer to 10k.
It's hard to imagine it will be as high as 10k in 10 years.
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It's hard to imagine it will be as high as 10k in 10 years.
Multiplied by x 10
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