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This sounds like a scammer comment I know. But read on Ö..

I lived and worked in Zug from 2013 to October 2016.
Earned a decent salary and saved lots, so prior to return to UK I had idea of investing some money in Gold.
I purchased 3 * UBS 50g gold bars, 5 UK sovereignís and 2 * 1 Oz Canadian Maple leaf coins.
I have now sold the 5 sovereigns and 1 Maple leaf coin for a good profit.

Why am I mentioning this?
One of the Maple leaf coins has been detected via two tests at the bullion dealer as a fake.
I have invoices for my gold purchase via UBS Zug and they sold me a fake coin back in September 2016.
Iím now stuck with this coin and nothing I can do about it.
Its my word against UBS, so not worth perusing.
How can I prove its the coin they sold me?
I canít..
Invoice just says ĎGold Maple Leaf 1 ozí Ö
Be warned!

Luckily I purchased the Maple Leaf on the 6th of Sept 2016 and 29th of Sept 2016 so they were from different batches and thus one was good and now sold to a bullion dealer.

Actual loss of approx £980 on this coin is made up by some of profit on other good coin aka £520 profit.

I have purchased gold since 2016 in the uk but only ever sovereigns.
Never a Maple Leaf so UBS was only source of purchase.
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Did you try a different bullion dealer to be certain?
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Did you try a different bullion dealer to be certain?

I plan to have coin tested again next week.
But Bullion Dealer is a large well known one and testing coins every day.

Fingers crossed Ö.but im now 95% sure the coin is fake.
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Surely it is worth asking UBS to test and see what their reaction is?
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Surely it is worth asking UBS to test and see what their reaction is?

I think I will Ö.rather than just not bother.

Iím shocked they never tested the coin.

So buyer be aware as they say.
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Very sorry to hear- hope the treatment will be effective and that you will be on the mend soon.
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You don't mention what UBS have said about the fake coin, did you discuss with them and what was their response? Also did you get a second opinion?
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You don't mention what UBS have said about the fake coin, did you discuss with them and what was their response? Also did you get a second opinion?
Is it even worth contacting UBS?
Itís my word against theirs.
Canít prove the actual fake coin came from them,
They could say their ones were good and I purchased this fake elsewhere.

But I guess emailing them is an option.
A Swiss friend said open a fraud case against the,.

But im in uk since 2016 and currently undergoing chemotherapy so Iím not in a fit state to put any energy into this other than have a rant in here.
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Old 22.06.2022, 09:49
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Is it even worth contacting UBS?
It’s my word against theirs.
What a bizzarre thing to say. Obviously you should contact UBS to speak to them about it, I mean they sold you the coin sp why wouldn't you do that and explore all of your options?
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Not really bizarre.
I will email them and see what they say, but will not hold my breath.

Should have gone into more detail on opening post.

During my stay in Switzerland we managed to save a substantial amount of money. I was sending back to uk £5k to £6 a month.
So we are not skint Ö
Thus the hit is one of those things.
I just want to warn others not to trust UBS like I did.
Iím shocked to be honest.

Also (not looking for sympathy) I have come out of remission for blood cancer and having to visit hospital four times a week.
Fatigued and have chemo brain ÖI put the sugar bowl in the freezer yesterday lol
My wife is very stressed at the moment also, so I donít want to get into a protracted dispute with UBS at the moment for both of our sakes.

My action plan will be to get coin retested - however where it was tested is a major bullion dealer.
Email UBS and ask for an opinion - however itís my word against theirs even with my invoice that does not mention anything unique about the coin not even the year it was mintedÖsorry faked (2002)..wel fake date on it.

I will probably end taking the loss on the nose and move on.

However donít trust buying Gold from UBS is my message or get it tested as soon as you leave counter.
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Not really bizarre.
I will email them and see what they say, but will not hold my breath.

Should have gone into more detail on opening post.

During my stay in Switzerland we managed to save a substantial amount of money. I was sending back to uk £5k to £6 a month.
So we are not skint …
Thus the hit is one of those things.
I just want to warn others not to trust UBS like I did.
I’m shocked to be honest.

Also (not looking for sympathy) I have come out of remission for blood cancer and having to visit hospital four times a week.
Fatigued and have chemo brain …I put the sugar bowl in the freezer yesterday lol
My wife is very stressed at the moment also, so I don’t want to get into a protracted dispute with UBS at the moment for both of our sakes.

My action plan will be to get coin retested - however where it was tested is a major bullion dealer.
Email UBS and ask for an opinion - however it’s my word against theirs even with my invoice that does not mention anything unique about the coin not even the year it was minted…sorry faked (2002)..wel fake date on it.

I will probably end taking the loss on the nose and move on.

However don’t trust buying Gold from UBS is my message or get it tested as soon as you leave counter.
You are asking people not to trust UBS without you having contacted them to confirm if they will resolve the situation in your favour or not. Contact them, see what they say, and if they say it's not their problem then you would be justified with the warning. There is at least a chance they will ask to test it themselves to verify and replace.

Don't just email them, call them and explain fully or even go to a branch where they deal with this stuff.
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Is it even worth contacting UBS?
Itís my word against theirs.
Canít prove the actual fake coin came from them,
They could say their ones were good and I purchased this fake elsewhere.

But I guess emailing them is an option.
A Swiss friend said open a fraud case against the,.

But im in uk since 2016 and currently undergoing chemotherapy so Iím not in a fit state to put any energy into this other than have a rant in here.
Let me give you a warning - making unsubstantiated allegations against a named company is dumb and can prove to be expensive!

You have no evidence that UBS sold you a fake coin and frankly I very much doubt they did. Fake coins are part and parcel of their business and they have procedures in place to ensure they donít buy fake coins. It would not be worth their while to sell the odd fake coin.

From what you have said, the coin was not always in your possession - you send it for valuation for example. My guess is that the dealer mistakenly bought a fake coin in the passed and swapped it for your coin during the valuation. But that is just my guess.
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Let me give you a warning - making unsubstantiated allegations against a named company is dumb and can prove to be expensive!

You have no evidence that UBS sold you a fake coin and frankly I very much doubt they did. Fake coins are part and parcel of their business and they have procedures in place to ensure they donít buy fake coins. It would not be worth their while to sell the odd fake coin.

From what you have said, the coin was not always in your possession - you send it for valuation for example. My guess is that the dealer mistakenly bought a fake coin in the passed and swapped it for your coin during the valuation. But that is just my guess.
So you are calling me a liar?
I knew one person would, you always get the trolls.

Why would I a retired person living in uk since 2016 want to make random allegations against a bank I have not used since closing account Easter 2017?

As I have said imhzve written off rhe cost if coin.
I will contact them but donít expect any refund.
I have made profits recently on equities and other investments and have been selling 30% of my gold holding (90% in uk sovereigns).

The other Maple Leaf is ok and sold as well as some of the sovereigns they sold me.

The only place I purchased Maple Leaf coins was UBS.
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Old 22.06.2022, 13:44
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So you are calling me a liar?
I knew one person would, you always get the trolls.

Why would I a retired person living in uk since 2016 want to make random allegations against a bank I have not used since closing account Easter 2017?

As I have said imhzve written off rhe cost if coin.
I will contact them but donít expect any refund.
I have made profits recently on equities and other investments and have been selling 30% of my gold holding (90% in uk sovereigns).

The other Maple Leaf is ok and sold as well as some of the sovereigns they sold me.

The only place I purchased Maple Leaf coins was UBS.
And here we go again, you jump to a lot of conclusions, without much to substantiate them.....

I don't doubt your actions and what you did or did not do as an investor is not relevant. But I very much doubt your conclusions.

There is no reason to assume that UBS is any more or less trustworthy than the dealers you have handed your coin to in order to have it valued. The coin was out of your possession and you have no idea where or if a switch was made.

My guess it's a dealer who bought a dud coin, by that is just an opinion.
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... The only place I purchased Maple Leaf coins was UBS.
Hi,

I think you need to contact the German police (Polizeipršsidium KŲln) or your local police and you should definitely email UBS.

See the following links:

https://www.newsweek.com/cops-bust-c...-coins-1713250

https://www.bild.de/regional/koeln/k...8384.bild.html

https://www.stern.de/amp/gesellschaf...-31921858.html

https://www.tag24.de/justiz/koeln/be...lassen-2494101

Hope this helps and wishing you a speedy recovery
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So you are calling me a liar?
I knew one person would, you always get the trolls.

Why would I a retired person living in uk since 2016 want to make random allegations against a bank I have not used since closing account Easter 2017?

As I have said imhzve written off rhe cost if coin.
I will contact them but donít expect any refund.
I have made profits recently on equities and other investments and have been selling 30% of my gold holding (90% in uk sovereigns).

The other Maple Leaf is ok and sold as well as some of the sovereigns they sold me.

The only place I purchased Maple Leaf coins was UBS.

Sure there are fakes out there.. Someone could buy of UBS and resell a fake back to them which may not be detected.

One easy solution if you paid on credit card.. call them and ask them to put the item (purchase) into dispute.. The bank probably wonít bother to challenge. Admittedly Iíve only done this with a item £400.

Two, claim on insurance.

Just to ask.. why do you say the two coins were from different batches?
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So you are calling me a liar?
I knew one person would, you always get the trolls.

Why would I a retired person living in uk since 2016 want to make random allegations against a bank I have not used since closing account Easter 2017?
Well, this is the internet and its full of Nigerian princes

If it's reasonable to distrust UBS, it's completely reasonable to distrust someone claiming to be an ill UK retiree that lost money......after all, the frail individual abused by big business is a classic scammer pitch.
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Let me give you a warning - making unsubstantiated allegations against a named company is dumb and can prove to be expensive!

You have no evidence that UBS sold you a fake coin and frankly I very much doubt they did. Fake coins are part and parcel of their business and they have procedures in place to ensure they donít buy fake coins. It would not be worth their while to sell the odd fake coin.

From what you have said, the coin was not always in your possession - you send it for valuation for example. My guess is that the dealer mistakenly bought a fake coin in the passed and swapped it for your coin during the valuation. But that is just my guess.


I have nothing to hide.
They sold me the fake Maple Leaf in 2016.

They are welcome to contact me.

I will email them.
Not going to add to lose with overseas phone call costs.
Even returning it (unless for a refund) will cost probably £30 in postage Ömore cost Grrrrrr
And something where Iím the victim.
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I have nothing to hide.
They sold me the fake Maple Leaf in 2016.

They are welcome to contact me.

I will email them.
Not going to add to lose with overseas phone call costs.
Even returning it (unless for a refund) will cost probably £30 in postage Ömore cost Grrrrrr
And something where Iím the victim.
Rubbish Ö
The coin was not swapped.
This a huge company who tested the coin.
Also the coi I sent has a mark and return coin is a 100% match.
I take photos of coins prior to posting.


But feel free to defend UBS and victim blame if you want.
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I have nothing to hide.
They sold me the fake Maple Leaf in 2016.

They are welcome to contact me.

I will email them.
Not going to add to lose with overseas phone call costs.
Even returning it (unless for a refund) will cost probably £30 in postage Ömore cost Grrrrrr
And something where Iím the victim.
Iīd still be very reluctant to accuse a bank of selling you a fake coin unless you can proof that.
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