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18.01.2023, 10:04
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There are people from the americas and some there are native americans or have native american heritage. But when you are referring to nationality or countries, the people/citizens from the USA are Americans, people from Brazil are Brazilians, people from Mexico are Mexicans, people from Bolivia are Bolivians, etc.
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18.01.2023, 11:42
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| | Re: Understanding US (tax) law/renunciation fee | Quote: | |  | | | Lol what should we be called then? | | | | | United Statesians, which makes very little sense as there are other countries comprised of states? Who knows? More importantly, who cares?
There are few things that make me question someone's intelligence more than this insipid argument. | Quote: | |  | | | Please don’t call them Americans. There are many millions of Americans that are not US nationals. | | | | | Do you really have nothing better to than dig around in a thread with specific tax questions for Americans looking for unauthorized use of the word "American"?
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18.01.2023, 12:03
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| | Re: Understanding US (tax) law/renunciation fee | Quote: | |  | | | Please don’t call them Americans. There are many millions of Americans that are not US nationals. | | | | | I guess this is a linguistic error that we got from exposure to US culture. In US English "America = USA" (just like the "World Series" are a US tournament, but that's another story).
The same is valid for Italian language: "gli americani = US citizens". The Americans fought in Afghanistan, Europe has American military bases and so on. There's a proper word, "gli statunitensi" but it's more formal and rarely used.
I don't know if this is a consequence of WWII or predates it.
I realized this when I started working with Venezuelan colleagues and they did not share the same definitions...
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18.01.2023, 12:11
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| | Re: Understanding US (tax) law/renunciation fee
The Assistant Secretary for Consular Affairs submitted the attached document to the U.S. District Court for District of Columbia on Jan 6, 2023. It contains this underlined sentence:
"3. Under 31 U.S.C. 9701, 22 U.S.C. § 4219, and Executive Order 10718, the Department has the authority to establish fees to be charged for official services provided by U.S. embassies and consulates. The Department intends to pursue rulemaking to reduce the fee for processing CLN requests from the current amount of $2350 to the previous fee of $450, as set in 75 FR 36522 on June 28, 2010. The Department will consider any necessary changes to this fee, as appropriate, in a future rulemaking."
The road to hades is, of course, paved with intentions.
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19.01.2023, 21:07
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| | Re: Understanding US (tax) law/renunciation fee | Quote: | |  | | | The Department will consider any necessary changes to this fee, as appropriate, in a future rulemaking." | | | | | "...a future rulemaking".... could they be any more vague? | 
19.01.2023, 21:27
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| | Re: Understanding US (tax) law/renunciation fee | Quote: | |  | | | "...a future rulemaking".... could they be any more vague?  | | | | |
....."potential further rule making" maybe | This user would like to thank Biro for this useful post: | | 
19.01.2023, 21:36
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| | Re: Understanding US (tax) law/renunciation fee | Quote: | |  | | | Please don’t call them Americans. There are many millions of Americans that are not US nationals. | | | | | They're the only ones that have "America" in their name.
I know (now) that it is a sensitive subject so I avoid calling South-Americans other than Brazilians, Peruvians, Colombians, etc
It's exactly like with Europe btw. I don't feel less European than an Italian, yet I'm (probably) called Eastern-European. And we're not even separate continents!!!
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19.01.2023, 21:53
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| | Re: Understanding US (tax) law/renunciation fee | Quote: | |  | | | They're the only ones that have "America" in their name. 
| | | | | Not wanting to go off topic anymore, but technically there's American Samoa, whose population are American Samoans. It's a US territory, some may be US citizens, others are US nationals, but I'll leave it at that before it gets any more messy.
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19.01.2023, 22:00
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| | Re: Understanding US (tax) law/renunciation fee | Quote: | |  | | | Not wanting to go off topic anymore, but technically there's American Samoa, whose population are American Samoans. It's a US territory, some may be US citizens, others are US nationals, but I'll leave it at that before it gets any more messy. | | | | | Haha, thanks. I stand corrected.
OK, back to taxes, I guess every thread that has "tax" in the title draws my attention because I didn't complete our tax return..yet. |
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