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Tax deductions for B permitted emploees?

Is there a place to find/ask what kind of income tax deductions an employee with B permit is entitled to? (from 1 year and 2 months in Switzerland).

When could and EU immigrant ask for citizenship?

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Old 02.05.2009, 19:26
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Re: Tax deductions for B permitted emploees?

If you are married to a swiss you get to do your tax with your spouse. As far as the citizenship goes it's 5 years if you are married to a swiss, otherwise I think it's 10 years .

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Is there a place to find/ask what kind of income tax deductions an employee with B permit is entitled to? (from 1 year and 2 months in Switzerland)...
Try an accountant?
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Re: Tax deductions for B permitted emploees?

I'm not sure if it's full citizenship, but in an integration-thingy the Basel-Stadt held for English speaking newcomers a few weeks ago they said you can upgrade form a B to C permit after 5 years, and that there's some sort of interview/assesment involved...
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Is there a place to find/ask what kind of income tax deductions an employee with B permit is entitled to? (from 1 year and 2 months in Switzerland).

When could and EU immigrant ask for citizenship?

Thanks.
A person on a B permit normally is taxed as source and so the question of deductions does not arise. If however you are married to a Swiss, or have a high income level (depends on Kanton), then you are required to submit a tax return and in such cases you get the normal deductions allowed in your community.

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I'm not sure if it's full citizenship, but in an integration-thingy the Basel-Stadt held for English speaking newcomers a few weeks ago they said you can upgrade form a B to C permit after 5 years, and that there's some sort of interview/assesment involved...
As I understand it non-EU citizens must now meet the citizenship rules on language and integration if they wish to get a C Permit.

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Re: Tax deductions for B permitted emploees?

For EU citizens, after 5 years, you get a C-permit. For me in BL, I just gave up my B permit and got a nice shiny C permit in its place. No interview, no assessment.

Technically, you may be entitled to deductions even if you have B permit and a salary under (IIRC) 120'000. E.g. if you are on secondment and are maintaining your former home abroad - that's worth 18'000. I've known some people who've been refused a tax return when they've asked, and others who've been accepted - according to canton. AIUI, if you've an entitlement to certain deductions, then you can get a tax return. But it might take hiring an accountant to persuade your local tax authorities.
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As I understand it non-EU citizens must now meet the citizenship rules on language and integration if they wish to get a C Permit.
Only the non-EU C Permit application forms ask for the language certificate, job confirmation, criminal record extract ect to be supplied. I did both applications recently, non-EU and EU.
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Re: Tax deductions for B permitted emploees?

What criteria is this? I mean if I pay taxes at source, always taxes are. I should be entitled to deductions.
Is there a place where this legislation is written, possibly in English or Italian?

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What criteria is this? I mean if I pay taxes at source, always taxes are. I should be entitled to deductions.
Is there a place where this legislation is written, possibly in English or Italian?
What deductions do you think you should be entitled to? Your tax at source rate already includes the standard deductions such as having dependents.
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What deductions do you think you should be entitled to? Your tax at source rate already includes the standard deductions such as having dependents.
perhaps the OP should look at a tax form/sotfware for their canton. as mariezug has pointed out the normal stuff: married, kids etc is already covered by the tax at source code your employer is using.

if you earn more that 120kCHF you must make a return, there is extensive info in this forum which you should read.

if you do not make a tax return then the best you can probably hope for is getting a rebate IF you made your 3a pension saving. again well covered elsewhere near by!
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Re: Tax deductions for B permitted emploees?

I just discovered I can deduct food I eat out of my work place and taxes on bank account interests...
And I could not do anything eh...
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And I could not do anything eh...
not sure what this means! if you were not allowed to make a tax return then there is NO way in which you can avail of the deductions you mentioned! that is just how the system is set up and if you like, yes, it does discriminate positively for those who earn more than 120kCHF and/or own property and negatively for the rest.
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Technically, you may be entitled to deductions even if you have B permit and a salary under (IIRC) 120'000. E.g. if you are on secondment and are maintaining your former home abroad - that's worth 18'000. I've known some people who've been refused a tax return when they've asked, and others who've been accepted - according to canton. AIUI, if you've an entitlement to certain deductions, then you can get a tax return. But it might take hiring an accountant to persuade your local tax authorities.

Could you explain more by citing some examples. thanks!
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Could you explain more by citing some examples. thanks!
Your employer pays you this 18k tax free. It appears on your Lohnausweis at the bottom as an expatriate allowance. The home abroad can be rented out too, they didn't seem to mind. Unfortunately, your employer has to know the rules and be willing to do this. After you are settled here eg on a C permit, we were told this was no longer possible. I was also told Kanton Zürich is stricter than Zug, who tried to disallow this allowance after 1 year for a friend.

You will be sent a letter telling you that you are required by law to complete a tax return if you are on a B Permit with a salary of > CHF 120. Paying 0.89% (Zug) yearly on my worldwide assets is not a benefit and you may actually pay more taxes than previously.
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Unfortunately, your employer has to know the rules and be willing to do this.
Is there any official reference that be consulted and shown to the employer? Now since I dont have this allowance - would they separate the 18K from total salary and put them as an allowance. Any major impact for them?
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Is there any official reference that be consulted and shown to the employer? Now since I dont have this allowance - would they separate the 18K from total salary and put them as an allowance. Any major impact for them?
A special pay slip just for you is extra work for your employer. They may not be willing to do it. It is more common for people working through agencies on time limited contracts where they do the same for every employee.

Searching the forum found Expatriate Tax Allowance and http://www.taxation.ch/File/PDF/Expat_allowances.pdf
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Is there a place to find/ask what kind of income tax deductions an employee with B permit is entitled to? (from 1 year and 2 months in Switzerland).

When could and EU immigrant ask for citizenship?

Thanks.
This might help, not really had a look myself though.

Federal office for migration
http://www.bfm.admin.ch/bfm/en/home.html
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What criteria is this? I mean if I pay taxes at source, always taxes are. I should be entitled to deductions.
Is there a place where this legislation is written, possibly in English or Italian?
Do not hurry to file instead of taxed-at-source. You might end up paying more taxes! Calculate your tax liability using tax software before you insist on submitting a tax return.
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