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Old 17.06.2009, 11:49
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Good reasonable accountant / tax advisor for Swiss expats in the UK?

Hi,

I will be arriving to Switzerland next month and I was planning to become a non-resident in the UK, i.e. limit my visits to the UK to under 91 days / year.

However the situation is not as simple as just the number of days anymore, see link to the recent Sunday Times article:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/mon...cle6493134.ece

and I may end up not being classed as non-resident in the UK (as I will be keeping an accommodation in the UK) and if that's the case, as I understand it, I will be paying Swiss taxes plus the difference between Swiss and UK taxes to the UK tax office :-(

Would be interested to hear from other people in similar situations and also if someone could recommend good and reasonable tax advisor / accountant in the UK as to avoid to make any potential mistakes with the UK taxes (i will get a Swiss accountant for the 1st year to help me to sort out Swiss taxes, curtesy of my new employer, so at least that would be taken care off)?

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Old 17.06.2009, 19:32
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Re: Good reasonable accountant / tax advisor for Swiss expats in the UK?

Okay, Iím not a tax adviser so I take this for what itís worth. It sounds to me like the HMRC are looking to target people who are playing games with the taxman and living close to the edge as far as the spirit of the non residency rules go.

As far as Income tax goes, it seems to me that if someone moves to Switzerland with their family (if they have one), file their P85 with HMRC to show they've left the UK, have accommodation here, have a permanent contract of employment here, are taxed as a permanent resident here, have health insurance and AVS here, I doubt they're the ones the HMRC will crack down on even if they have a property in the UK and return to the UK once in a while (normal holiday entitlement) to visit friends and family. This "lifestyle" points to them being a genuine non resident.
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Old 17.06.2009, 20:46
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Re: Good reasonable accountant / tax advisor for Swiss expats in the UK?

You will need to complete a form for HM Revenue Ė see this.

I suggest that you ask them about retaining accomodation in the UK and save yourself a fee for an accountants opinion.
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Old 17.06.2009, 21:00
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I suggest that you ask them about retaining accomodation in the UK and save yourself a fee for an accountants opinion.
Good luck. This is getting pretty similar to the tests for domicile for Inheritance tax and HMRC don't normally give pre-clearance ie "if I do this and that am I safe from taxation?".
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Re: Good reasonable accountant / tax advisor for Swiss expats in the UK?

Hi,

I am new here as well and the rules may not be what people think they are anymore.

I paid for advice before leaving the UK and in a nutshell, there are no rules, only policy. The Tax authorities have a list of criteria on which they judge people like us on wether we are classified as resident for tax purposes in the UK or not, which include but are not limited to;

Is family is in the UK?
Is there property in the UK?
How much time is spent in the UK (<90 days on average per year for 4 years is recommended)
Whether one belongs to any clubs socities in the UK
Is the contract of employment in Switzerland permanent?
Do you have accomodation in Switzerland?

The list goes on, but suffice to say they are checking up on some people. It is up to us to prove our cases as and when required.

If any one else has anything to add or corrrect I would be most grateful.

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The list goes on, but suffice to say they are checking up on some people. It is up to us to prove our cases as and when required.
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Only a year late, but I'd agree with that.

In my case, I'm here with my family, permanent job, no UK house etc., so I declared myself to HMRC as non-resident and then tried to get a refund on my taxed savings interest, under the UK/Swiss double taxation agreement. Adding more difficulty was the fact that I wanted split year treatment for the part of the year when I moved here.

When I moved over here, HMRC gave you the impression that they were there to help with any aspects of filling out UK tax returns etc. even for non-residents.

In reality, it took countless letters, phone calls and anguish to get it sorted out because the helpline staff are just like any other call centre staff, they have the minimal knowledge of HMRC policy, you never get the same person twice and no-one owns your specific case.

Even when you get past the help desk support to the 'managers' they don't know HMRC policy either. I was told that the guidelines and rules are there and it's your problem to sort through them and present your case to them, which they will consider and either agree to or reject.

It seems that there are a handful of top HMRC tax people who write the rulebooks and return sheets, but that's your lot, the rest are box checkers.

In my case, when I eventually submitted the right forms, after a couple of rejects with very little explanation, I got the result I wanted - my tax repaid.

This year, I copied last years return and hopefully it'll not be a problem.

Phil
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