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I think there is a certain minimum distance you have to drive, did i read 20km somewhere
Do you have a reference for that please? And how does it work in that case if you are not in a car, but travelling by some other means?
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Old 26.08.2019, 20:21
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It seems clear that Tom was cheating the system by claiming back tax that should have been due. Whether it was technically illegal is almost irrelevant - it's clearly taking the piss out of the system, but then I'm not going to judge...
Says Ace1, judging that Tom was cheating the system...

Seriously, you've been in Basel for so long and don't know how it works? Just go back the next day and get your refund. The fact is the border folk don't always have a completely accurate grasp of what the law says - so don't muck around in (ahem) boundary issues.

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I think there is a certain minimum distance you have to drive, did i read 20km somewhere ?
Imagine living in Basel :P
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Re: Things to avoid doing when claiming back German MWSt

I recently bought new glasses. Got the form stamped at the German Zoll and then went to the Swiis Zoll to pay the import duty. When I go back to the shop to claim my refund, can I wear my new glasses of should I keep my old ones on?
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Imagine living in Basel :P
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When I go back to the shop to claim my refund, can I wear my new glasses of should I keep my old ones on?
Wonderful (and still laughing out loud now)!

Did the two of you conspire to post at the same time, so that I could not stop laughing?!
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I think there is a certain minimum distance you have to drive, did i read 20km somewhere ?
Don't know, but we did.

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Tires and the such like need to be mounted for some reason to get VAT back so i was told but i am not sure if this is true or not

For Italy, it's the opposite, i.e. they must be unused and in a weighed box, which is why they counted the number of brake pads had (9 sets).

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For Italy, it's the opposite, i.e. they must be unused and in a weighed box, which is why they counted the number of brake pads had (9 sets).
On the German side some things to do with private vehicles and their parts seem to have an exclusion from the tax back arrangement:

Von der Steuerbefreiung ausgeschlossen: Lieferungen zur
Ausrüstung oder zur Versorgung von privaten Beförderungsmitteln


Lieferungen von Waren, die zur Ausrüstung oder Versorgung eines privaten Beförderungsmittels
(z.B. Pkw, Kombiwagen, Sportboot, Segelyacht, Flugzeug) dienen, sind von der Steuerbefreiung
für Ausfuhrlieferungen im nichtkommerziellen Reiseverkehr ausgeschlossen. Bei den betroffenen
Waren handelt es sich sowohl um Kraftfahrzeugteile, die mit dem Fahrzeug fest verbunden
werden (z.B. Stoßstange), als auch um solche, die als bewegliche Teile zur Ausrüstung des
Fahrzeugs gehören (z.B. Abschleppseil, Reservereifen, Verbandkasten). Auch Waren zur
Versorgung eines Fahrzeugs (z.B. Kraftstoff, Motoröl, Pflegemittel) fallen nicht unter die
Steuerbefreiung für Ausfuhrlieferungen im nichtkommerziellen Reiseverkehr.

From: https://www.zoll.de/DE/Privatpersone...ufen_node.html under Formulare zum Thema
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Re: Things to avoid doing when claiming back German MWSt

I wrote an articel about this, but it's in German:


https://www.staatenlos.ch/mehrwertsteuer-erstattung/


The logic why the Germans only refund car-parts which are fit-into-a-vehicle is strange, but still (somewhat) logic: The idea is that no-one would fit brakes on a Swiss car just to export them, and then re-fit the brakes from the Swiss car onto a German car.


However, if the part is unused, one could export the items and then fit them to a German car inside Switzerland which would make checks for this logically impossible.


Same (but the other way around) goes for all liquids used in cars, like oil and (unfortunately) fuel: how can you prove that the fuel is in the car you claim it's in? Again: impossible to check; hence no refund.
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Old 02.09.2019, 17:36
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I think there is a certain minimum distance you have to drive, did i read 20km somewhere ?
There is no minimum distance to travel over the border when claiming back VAT—as noted, that would exclude an entire Swiss canton from the tax refund system.

You are probably thinking of the customs inspection zone (I don't know what it's actually called, but I'm going to go with the CIZ). The border/customs people have the right to stop people within a certain distance of the border (I think it's in the 20 km ballpark) and inspect their belongings, e.g. cargo in a car. So if you cross at an unmanned point, or are waved through a border crossing, don't count your chickens just yet.

I have seen one of these "CIZ" stops just once, in Basel, about a kilometre from the border. The border guards there were uniformed and were stopping every car driving away from the border. I was fine, I was importing well under CHF 300 of goods.
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You are probably thinking of the customs inspection zone (I don't know what it's actually called, but I'm going to go with the CIZ). The border/customs people have the right to stop people within a certain distance of the border (I think it's in the 20 km ballpark) and inspect their belongings, e.g. cargo in a car. So if you cross at an unmanned point, or are waved through a border crossing, don't count your chickens just yet.
Customs have the right to stop and search you anywhere in the country, be it at the border,or 500 kms from the border. And that goes for the whole of the EU and most everywhere else as well.
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Customs have the right to stop and search you anywhere in the country, be it at the border,or 500 kms from the border. And that goes for the whole of the EU and most everywhere else as well.
Are you sure; do you have a source for that? I'd be surprised if agencies other than the police have such broad stop-and-search powers (but then again, Switzerland has some surprising practices).
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And as for the Swiss VAT, well honesty paid off as we had to declare the hired van we were bringing in for the night as well. At a separate customs desk, this was at the big customs point in Thayngen, we also declared the goods and said we think we needed to pay Swiss VAT, after checking the forms, the customs officer stamped them as checked and said we didn't need to pay anything, so this was a big saving and relief for us.
serious question - although I may have misread your meaning - Could you please clarify, if you hire a van and drive it into France or Germany (or Italy for that matter) to go pick up furniture, even for the same day, you need to declare the value of the van/truck? or did you mean he goods *in* the van? and is it about the stay overnight or does it vary if coming and returning same day? I assume this is only for private use, not commercial.

If so, it is news to me. Then do you declare the rental fee or the market value of the truck?

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Are you sure; do you have a source for that? I'd be surprised if agencies other than the police have such broad stop-and-search powers (but then again, Switzerland has some surprising practices).
They certainly do have those powers and more (much more than the police) in France and the UK, so I see no reason why it wouldn't also be true here.
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serious question - although I may have misread your meaning - Could you please clarify, if you hire a van and drive it into France or Germany (or Italy for that matter) to go pick up furniture, even for the same day, you need to declare the value of the van/truck? or did you mean he goods *in* the van? and is it about the stay overnight or does it vary if coming and returning same day? I assume this is only for private use, not commercial.

If so, it is news to me. Then do you declare the rental fee or the market value of the truck?
No, you don't need to declare the value of a rented van that you drive from Switzerland into the EU.

Very important point (relevant to Clocker and no doubt many others): if your place of residence is the EU, you are not permitted to rent a Swiss registered vehicle in Switzerland and drive it over the border into the EU.

If your place of residence is Switzerland, you can rent a Swiss registered vehicle in Switzerland and drive it over the border. You are not permitted to rent a vehicle in the EU and drive it into Switzerland.

Basic rule: rent vehicles only in the country (or territory (=EU)) where you reside.

(Thanks to nickatbasel for his concise summary in this thread!)
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serious question - although I may have misread your meaning - Could you please clarify, if you hire a van and drive it into France or Germany (or Italy for that matter) to go pick up furniture, even for the same day, you need to declare the value of the van/truck? or did you mean he goods *in* the van? and is it about the stay overnight or does it vary if coming and returning same day? I assume this is only for private use, not commercial.

If so, it is news to me. Then do you declare the rental fee or the market value of the truck?
As stated in the post above from 22 yards, it's not the value you declare, it is simply the fact that you are bringing the vehicle in for up to 8 days 'unverzollt' before taking it out again.

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If your place of residence is Switzerland, you can rent a Swiss registered vehicle in Switzerland and drive it over the border. You are not permitted to rent a vehicle in the EU and drive it into Switzerland.
Basic rule: rent vehicles only in the country (or territory (=EU)) where you reside.
(Thanks to nickatbasel for his concise summary in this thread!)
Well not permitted for more than 8 days to be fair. If you live near to the border and taking the vehicle back is not a hassle, given the sometimes large price difference in rental cars, it is worth it if you live in Switzerland and rent it in Germany (or even France).
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Are you sure; do you have a source for that? I'd be surprised if agencies other than the police have such broad stop-and-search powers (but then again, Switzerland has some surprising practices).
Some of their powers are greater than the police. Often they will trail a shipment of say illegal drugs to see who receives them, then go in to make the search usually with the police who can then make the arrests.

In Switzerland (and many other places) customs can't arrest you. They can detain you pending the arrival of the police who will then be handed the evidence and make the formal arrest.

They also make road checks, for example on fuel to make sure you're not using agricultural fuel for example and if they see airline tags and think you're over the limit on duty free can search your car for any contraband. Yes, they have very wide ranging powers.
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As stated in the post above from 22 yards, it's not the value you declare, it is simply the fact that you are bringing the vehicle in for up to 8 days 'unverzollt' before taking it out again.

Well not permitted for more than 8 days to be fair. If you live near to the border and taking the vehicle back is not a hassle, given the sometimes large price difference in rental cars, it is worth it if you live in Switzerland and rent it in Germany (or even France).
Or even Italy, or Austria. But probably not Liechtenstein.
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But probably not Liechtenstein.
Well Liechtenstein is in a customs union and has had an open border with Switzerland since the 1920s, so there are no formalities or declarations for customs. Also the prices there are almost on par with Swiss prices.
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I think there is a certain minimum distance you have to drive, did i read 20km somewhere ?
You're right insofar as the duty free limit didn't apply unless you were living at least 20km from the border, so you had to take them at least as far on your way home. Theoretically; in reality nobody cared where you lived. But that rule must have been dropped decades ago (perhaps with the introduction of the Bilaterale 1).
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No, you don't need to declare the value of a rented van that you drive from Switzerland into the EU.

Very important point (relevant to Clocker and no doubt many others): if your place of residence is the EU, you are not permitted to rent a Swiss registered vehicle in Switzerland and drive it over the border into the EU.

If your place of residence is Switzerland, you can rent a Swiss registered vehicle in Switzerland and drive it over the border. You are not permitted to rent a vehicle in the EU and drive it into Switzerland.

Basic rule: rent vehicles only in the country (or territory (=EU)) where you reside.

(Thanks to nickatbasel for his concise summary in this thread!)
What if you take your cars for service to Germany and are given a loaner car from the german garage. I have seen this many times and never seen an issue
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