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Re: White Pasta Sauce

I just want to point out one more thing

You don't oil water its so not nescersary. Just salt it
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Old 25.01.2011, 22:33
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Re: White Pasta Sauce

In Italy we use the "white pasta sauce" to make home made lasagna.

Prepare your salsa bolognese and set it aside
1 or 2 boxes of lasagna pasta
freshly grated parmigiano and mozzarella
bechamele

La salsa bechamelle

melt butter in saucepan (do not brown the butter) very low heat
add enough flour so that it becomes a paste
add salt, a little pepper and grated "noix de muscat" (muskatnüsse, nutmeg ?)
stir constantly
add a slow stream of full fat milk until you have a thick creamy mixture

For the Lasagna (it all about layers)
butter the bottom of your pan
spread a very thin layer of bolognese sauce on the bottom
add spoons of bechamelle here and there (be sparse)
sprinkle with the cheese
cover with a layer of pasta rectangles

start again (approx. 5 layers)

Make enough bechamelle to cover the last layer completely as it will seal the lasagna. Cover with aluminium and pop into a hot oven at 180° for 45 min to 1 hour.
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With olives and chilli it's almost a puttanesca, but in no way a white sauce! It's all the colours of the rainbow, unless I'm missing something?
An Italian white sauce is a sauce without cooked tomatoes, it (normally) isn't actually white!

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Old 26.01.2011, 09:15
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An Italian white sauce is a sauce without cooked tomatoes, it (normally) isn't actually white!

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Sure but that one had tomatoes! Also my intuition leads me to believe the OP wanted something creamy.
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Sure but that one had tomatoes!
RAW tomatoes!

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La salsa bechamelle

melt butter in saucepan (do not brown the butter) very low heat
add enough flour so that it becomes a paste
add salt, a little pepper and grated "noix de muscat" (muskatnüsse, nutmeg ?)
stir constantly
add a slow stream of full fat milk until you have a thick creamy mixture
Easier and faster to simply put everything in a pan, heat and whisk. Pretty well every cook does it this way now - the roux phase is unnecessary.
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Re: White Pasta Sauce

What you're looking for isn't Bechamel/white sauce but an Italian sauce called Carbonara. It's readily available fresh or dry packed, and it's dead easy to make: http://www.cooks.com/rec/view/0,1935...230199,00.html (one of a zillion variants).
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Old 30.01.2011, 15:02
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What you're looking for isn't Bechamel/white sauce but an Italian sauce called Carbonara. It's readily available fresh or dry packed, and it's dead easy to make: http://www.cooks.com/rec/view/0,1935...230199,00.html (one of a zillion variants).
That's a U.S. version of carbonara which has basically turned what is a fairly light pasta dish into something heart-cloggingly heavy.

Miss out the cream and butter and just use eggs, pancetta, garlic and grated parmesan and fresh black pepper.
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That's a U.S. version of carbonara which has basically turned what is a fairly light pasta dish into something heart-cloggingly heavy.

Miss out the cream and butter and just use eggs, pancetta, garlic and grated parmesan and fresh black pepper.
Quite right. A real carnonara is not a sauce, it's a way of making pasta. The American version somehow reminds me of canned Alfredo sauce (nothing easier than making fettucine Alfredo without the help of canned stuff!) or of the "creamy Italian dressings" available in the USA. Never tried those things, may even be good, as long as you don't read the list of ingredients, but Italian? Come on!
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Old 30.01.2011, 15:29
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That's a U.S. version of carbonara which has basically turned what is a fairly light pasta dish into something heart-cloggingly heavy.

Miss out the cream and butter and just use eggs, pancetta, garlic and grated parmesan and fresh black pepper.
Actually, one should only use egg yolks (though I also use the whole egg), and guanciale, not pancetta (but guanciale may be hard to find here, I always get it in Italy).

(the egg yolk is there to glue the cooked quanciale to the pasta)

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That's a U.S. version of carbonara which has basically turned what is a fairly light pasta dish into something heart-cloggingly heavy.

Miss out the cream and butter and just use eggs, pancetta, garlic and grated parmesan and fresh black pepper.
Except IMO no black pepper. The carbonara is really aiming for something dull (not sharp) in sensation.
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Old 30.01.2011, 15:37
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Except IMO no black pepper. The carbonara is really aiming for something dull (not sharp) in sensation.
No, black (or chile pepper) is an important part of carbonara.

Also, pecorino romano is the correct cheese to use, not parmagiana (the pecorino has a much stronger taste, as does the guanciale compared to pancetta).

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Re: White Pasta Sauce

Guanciale is the pig cheek, incase you wondered. You can buy it in Conad for about 7 euros.

To be entirely honest I am not sure I am qualified to comment on Carbonara. I hate it, and don't eat raw eggs. For me, I only like red pasta sauce or white ones with peas and zuchini. Carbonara is an overly creamy, rich and bland sauce.
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For the Lasagna (it all about layers)
butter the bottom of your pan
spread a very thin layer of bolognese sauce on the bottom
add spoons of bechamelle here and there (be sparse)
sprinkle with the cheese
cover with a layer of pasta rectangles

start again (approx. 5 layers)

Make enough bechamelle to cover the last layer completely as it will seal the lasagna. Cover with aluminium and pop into a hot oven at 180° for 45 min to 1 hour.
Oh dear, sometimes I am so stupid at things, I quite frighten myself .. I had always wondered when making lasagne why I needed vats and vats of bechemel sauce .. way more than any recipe said (and I tried a few). But of course, if you spoon the odd blob here and there (except top layer) then you end up with using half as much and have a much healthier and tastier meal. Thank you Sky. I am off to make lasagne now!
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Carbonara is an overly creamy, rich and bland sauce.
Then it's not carbonara.

It should have no cram, and it should NOT be bland.

That's what happens when they make it in German-speaking places!

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I am Italian thanks, for the tip though.
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From which region?

All my expertise on the subject of carbonara comes from friends from Alta Maremma (whom I've known since 1987).

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Re: White Pasta Sauce

In Bologna (it's cooking lives up to it's nickname La Grassa) la salsa Carbonara is made with pancetta and cream and with egg yolk and freshly grated parmesan

- prepare the pancetta first and drain the grease before adding light cream over low heat without boiling
- egg yolk and freshly grated parmesan mixed together into a paste

when both mixtures are ready, bring them together and mix into the steaming hot pasta.
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In Bologna (it's cooking lives up to it's nickname La Grassa) la salsa Carbonara is made with pancetta and cream and with egg yolk and freshly grated parmesan

- prepare the pancetta first and drain the grease before adding light cream over low heat without boiling
- egg yolk and freshly grated parmesan mixed together into a paste

when both mixtures are ready, bring them together and mix into the steaming hot pasta.
Yeah, well the Bolognese also put milk into Ragu Bolognese. Clearly, they have too much milk!

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From which region?

All my expertise on the subject of carbonara comes from friends from Alta Maremma (whom I've known since 1987).

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Marche. Fermo to be precise. are you fammiliar with the area?
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