...let's not forget the secondary, or maybe it is a primary effect of "bio" - the return of wildlife, birds, bees, butterflies and up and down the whole food chain of nature. So much has been destroyed through the indiscriminate use of pesticides, fertilizers and chemicals, it's criminal. The return of wildlife in the last few years, since bio and other controls of what gets used in our food production, is noticeable.

We buy bio and read the labels on what we buy, don't eat meat either, and I am sure we are healthier and feel healthier for it. It's not a moral, ethical, political or religious question, just plain realistic.

I agree with your analysis of what is being discussed here but definitely disagree with your take on pesticides. There is sufficient evidence that points to the true dangers of pesticides in particular with Roundup which is now one of the most widely used pesticides around the world. In my opinion Europe made the right move to ban GMO foods considering they are mainly designed to be roundup resistant.


If you have an hour this is a very informative video on the subject.

In the whole of this argument, i always think it is odd how blind people can become about food ingredients. Girls, just as a test , go and have a look in your make up bag, and start googling the what is contained in moisturiser, lipstick, foundations etc
You're hyper sensitive what you would eat , but when it comes to sticking it in the larges organ of the body, different rules apply .....

There are also natural cosmetics, for example the Weleda range.

It isn't necessarily so...there is a large movement towards PBA free and natural cosmetics. What one needs to be careful about is how some products are marketed as "Natural". There are too many cosmetic companies jumping on this marketing bonanza so its "buyer beware" read the labels and make up your own mind.

There's no denying that some chemicals are harmful, however, "natural" products can also do more harm than good when used in the wrong situation.

e.g. Using olive oil on skin. Olive oil degrades the skin massively, much more so than mineral oils (i.e. petrolium-derived oils), but seeing as cosmetic research tends to only be "skin deep" as it were, you don't hear much about it.

I've never heard of such a thing. Perhaps you could expand upon this issue with some more indepth research to support such claims of massive degradation of the skin. I'm open to learning more.