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Eating 100% organic/additive free. Do you do this or are you considering it?

After recently starting to make my own bread (partly due to the fact that after living in Germany I couldn't go back to eating spongy pre-packaged sliced bread and partly due to the fact that it's usually full of additives to make it last a stupidly long time) I'm also thinking about making my diet 100% organic/additive free for 3-4 weeks to see what changes I notice in health, energy levels, appetite etc.

It'd be good to hear from people who've already decided to eat only organic/additive free to see if they noticed any real differences

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Eating 100% organic/additive free. Do you do this or are you considering it?

Why do you think you will notice short term changes? The change you will notice first is that organic food costs more and you throw more of it away in the compost as the weevils have made tunnels in your food.

West of Bern is an area with many vegetable farms. Some organic, some normal. A worker in the potato packing company was dissmissed from his job for refusing to put normal potatoes into bags marked "Organic". You can draw your own conclusions, but I would think if you bought perfect organic food you might have been cheated.

Organic "might" be "good" for you, but will you live healthily and longer? Strangely the companies shouting the loudest are the ones claiming their product is the safest and most expensive.
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Re: Eating 100% organic/additive free. Do you do this or are you considering it?

I don't think this will bring a result in 3-4 weeks, much rather 10-20 years.. it will probably matter once you get old and your immune system will not fail you.
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Re: Eating 100% organic/additive free. Do you do this or are you considering it?

Eating a bit of chemical here and there most help the immune system as well no?
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Strangely the companies shouting the loudest are the ones claiming their product is the safest and most expensive.

I just read about the dishwashing liquid that markets itself as super-green - the one with the frog upfront - and that they also make it with palm oil which is the worst worst deforastation cause.
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... West of Bern is an area with many vegetable farms. Some organic, some normal. A worker in the potato packing company was dissmissed from his job for refusing to put normal potatoes into bags marked "Organic". You can draw your own conclusions, but I would think if you bought perfect organic food you might have been cheated. ...
I could be totally wrong but wasn't there a fiasco a while back in the UK where some products were knowingly and falsely labelled and sold as organic? Sorry but no time to research this right now.
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West of Bern is an area with many vegetable farms. Some organic, some normal. A worker in the potato packing company was dissmissed from his job for refusing to put normal potatoes into bags marked "Organic". You can draw your own conclusions, but I would think if you bought perfect organic food you might have been cheated.
There are always scare stories like this around, but the quality of organic food is checked quite meticulously and any farm that "cheats" risks losing its certification and hence its income. Also, talk to any organic farmer and you'll soon see that 99% of them are in it because they deeply and fully believe in what they are doing. There are always black sheep in any activity but in organic farming these are far fewer than the anti-organic folks would have us believe.
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It'd be good to hear from people who've already decided to eat only organic/additive free to see if they noticed any real differences
A lot of stuff tastes better for a start. Meat that doesn't shrink to half its size when you grill it. Brussels sprouts and tomatoes that actually taste like sprouts or tomatoes rather than like water. And as for food going bad, sure it does. But then careful planning and correct storage can help against that. It's the chicken whose sell by date is in 6 months time that I find much more disconcerting.
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There are always scare stories like this around, but the quality of organic food is checked quite meticulously and any farm that "cheats" risks losing its certification and hence its income. Also, talk to any organic farmer and you'll soon see that 99% of them are in it because they deeply and fully believe in what they are doing. There are always black sheep in any activity but in organic farming these are far fewer than the anti-organic folks would have us believe.
I have - they do it primarily for the money. No one would be an organic farmer if there was no demand for organic products.
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There are always scare stories like this around, but the quality of organic food is checked quite meticulously and any farm that "cheats" risks losing its certification and hence its income. Also, talk to any organic farmer and you'll soon see that 99% of them are in it because they deeply and fully believe in what they are doing. There are always black sheep in any activity but in organic farming these are far fewer than the anti-organic folks would have us believe.
Read it again! I didn't blame the farmers, I blamed the wholesaler! They were 2 farming brothers in Kerzers FR that told me this. I asked a direct question, and they gave me a direct answer. One was arable and one was a chicken farmer supplying Migros. This was not a rumour! But how can I prove it, and how can the honest worker ever get a job there again?
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I suppose- that's the answer I agree with anyway .
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Re: Eating 100% organic/additive free. Do you do this or are you considering it?

We changed our diet to as much Organic & natural food stuffs & products as we could a couple of years ago. It is really not possible to go 100%, there are always things you need that are not Organic or a product you need that contains parabens but we don't stress about that we just do the best we can. You will see no benifits to changing your diest after a couple of weeks, after a couple of years I am not even sure there are real tangible differences that could be scientifically measured.

EDIT: one of the best things about this is food tasting as it should. I remember the first organic chicken I cooked & made gravy with; the difference in taste from the chicken I normally bought was amazing. And our food bills have gone down not up.
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A lot of stuff tastes better for a start. Meat that doesn't shrink to half its size when you grill it. Brussels sprouts and tomatoes that actually taste like sprouts or tomatoes rather than like water. And as for food going bad, sure it does. But then careful planning and correct storage can help against that. It's the chicken whose sell by date is in 6 months time that I find much more disconcerting.
I couldn't agree more.

This has been brought up so many times before. But sadly most people don't seem to care what they put in their mouths. Taste and animal welfare is secondary to cost.

Most people (in the U.K) would think that organic chicken was off because of the real chicken smell and taste.
People here complain about the small size of chicken breasts when the bloated ones they used to buy at home are full of water, pork and fat.

(Chicken breasts, unless organic, are actually an extremely unhealthy food choice due the fattiness of the meat).
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Re: Eating 100% organic/additive free. Do you do this or are you considering it?

(Chicken breasts, unless organic, are actually an extremely unhealthy food choice due the fattiness of the meat)

compared to what fattiness?
chicken wings for example?
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(Chicken breasts, unless organic, are actually an extremely unhealthy food choice due the fattiness of the meat)

compared to what fattiness?
chicken wings for example?
Compared with organic chicken breasts.
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Organic "might" be "good" for you, but will you live healthily and longer? Strangely the companies shouting the loudest are the ones claiming their product is the safest and most expensive.
Some would say that the only reason organic food is more expensive (in England anyway) is because the people who care enough to eat organic ususally have more money...I'm not saying that I wholeheartily agree but this is an opinion I've heard several times before.

I an understand why food which is "morally" better for us (fair trade) is more expensive as people are paying for their conscience.

What does annoy me though is that free range eggs are more expensive battery eggs: it's been proven that it's cheaper to produce free range eggs as the farmers don't have have to pay for heating etc.

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Eating a bit of chemical here and there most help the immune system as well no?
If you take the view that preservatives in food as preserving us and that's why people are living longer then I guess so.

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I don't think this will bring a result in 3-4 weeks, much rather 10-20 years.. it will probably matter once you get old and your immune system will not fail you.
I agree, I was just wondering if anyone saw any immediate benefits as I don't know anyone who's done this before. I already cook most of my food from scratch as possible using fresh ingredients, and, compared to my friends who only eat processed food, I'm fighting fit! (They always seem to have a cold etc)

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A lot of stuff tastes better for a start. Meat that doesn't shrink to half its size when you grill it.
Surely this is also due to the fat content though? If you buy the cuts of meat with a lower fat content then they won't shrink as much anyway. Friends of mine always buy 25% fat beef mince and then moan at how much of it disappears.
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Re: Eating 100% organic/additive free. Do you do this or are you considering it?

Let's get one thing straight: fresh <> organic.

I grew up eating fresh veggies, fresh eggs, homegrown chicken, etc. etc. Tremendously healthy, tasty diet, but precious little of it was actually organic. Why not? Because we wanted to eat it, not fight the creepy crawlies for it all summer!

So we sprayed the apple trees because that was the easiest, cheapest, most effective way to stop worms from having all the apples. Didn't make them taste less appley, I promise you. What makes apples taste less appley is
1) being picked green
2) rough handling after picking
3) varieties bred for uniform size, tough skin etc. to the detriment of breeding for flavor.

So yes, I will select for "small farm" and/or "heirloom variety" over "organic" any day of the week. The three do tend to go together in the marketplace, but mostly for economic reasons as Tom1234 says. There's extra money to be made in organic, and if you're a small farmer growing heirloom (i.e. less productive) varieties, you need extra money anywhere you can find it. You will never ever compete with the big nonorganic farmers doing that (they're farming the other way for a reason!) but you can find your niche and be happy, instead of going out of business.

I'm not knocking organic food at all - most of it is indeed quite tasty - but let's recognize that sheer gorgeous organicness is not actually what makes it taste that way. Nonorganic food grown in the same way with the same care can be just as good if not better.
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I try to eat additive free but am not convinced by BIO labeled food. It looks like good marketing to me by the shops.
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