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You did apparently not read the links..
Yes I have depends if I want to buy "water softing products"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calcium_metabolism

For the non scientists...

Your links are no good sorry.
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Old 11.05.2011, 12:20
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Re: Do you drink tap water?

I question the negative view about salt consuption.
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I feel there could be riots...

Myself (Studied Chemistry and Biochem at Uni) and chemmie, both are Scientists
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I am not a chemist, nor biologist so I cant say for sure what's true. Thats why I said "apparently".
But I can imagine that when a goat licks salt, its for the same reason that we eat chips infront the telly, just cause it tastes good.

So its a question of believe then.
http://www.healthalternatives2000.co...ion-chart.html

Seriously man, if you don't know what you are talking about don't post about it...Why do you think it tastes good? Maybe because your body is saying "I need it"?

This topic has been covered thoroughly on EF before, but in short:

You body craves high energy foods, because it is only recently in our evolution that we knew where our next meal was coming from. It is extremely good at absorbing things that only recently have been labelled as "bad". Did you know that you'll absorb nearly 96-98% of all fats you eat - that's how good your body is. If you drop to 95% (through, e.g. ill health) you'll get something called steatorrhea. (Note: percentages from memory, but they are in that range.)

Current food (probably) does have too much salt, processed carbs etc. - hence increases in obesity, diabetes, and associated heart disease etc. in developed countries - however, it sells because it tastes good, because our bodies haven't re-programmed yet, and is a different topic to whether you need it or not.

For the record, you should also know that overdosing doesn't just apply to salt. For example, too much of any particular vitamin could harm you - our body generally doesn't store high levels of these as they are potent chemical compounds, so you do need to top them up regularly. Heck, even too much water will kill you.

Yes they are inorganic, but that just means we cannot create them. From a nutritional point of view, this is not relevant and does not mean we don't need them and cannot process them. Did you know that some amino acids (building blocks for proteins) are called essential amino acids - these are organic, but we (humans) cannot make them so have to get them from food.

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Good lord, can you read?
The links have been attached
It was a rhetorical question - the summary in your post was so incorrect, I didn't even bother reading the source. Hope that clears up any confusion
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Where did I say that we should not eat minerals?

I just stated, that, according to some theories there is a difference between inorganic and organic minerals.

This could have become an interresting discussion, but you guys become personal and primitive all the time. A big bravo for this.
There are some theories that the world is hollow and people are living on the inside as well... but I would need to be very drunk to make this an interesting discussion.

The discussion was not as personal as the insults you sent me by PM.
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Re: Do you drink tap water?

Joe, no one is going personal or primitive. No one has insulted you, and no one is attacking you.

The site you linked to, on the other hand, is full of very wrong information. Your comment about salt also is also wrong, and unfortunatelly a lot of people seem to fall into this "salt, fat and sugar are bad for you" category. No food is bad for you! It has to do with balance, quantity and correct percentage eaten, more than something is poisonous/ good for your body.

There is a difference between going personal and actually trying to point out a mistake/ a disagreement. You don't need to feel attacked, just read the points of other people: they are all concerned about the same thing, Health!
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Seriously man, if you don't know what you are talking about don't post about it...Why do you think it tastes good? Maybe because your body is saying "I need it"?
Goodness, did you thing of what you just wrote?
Why do I love chockolate, icecream, chips, candys, burgers, coke..
Cause my body probably tells me: "I need it"
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51mg Ca2+, 1.4mh Mg2+, 0.3mg Na+, per litre in the bottle on my desk. (That's calcium, magnesium, sodium for those without a scientific background* ... ).
Cations and not in it's pure form I must add, it's more than likely in the form of a salt.

Probably Calcium Carbonate (CAC03), which would break down nicely in contact with an acid, such as that found in the stomach.
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Old 11.05.2011, 12:33
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Goodness, did you thing of what you just wrote?
Why do I love chockolate, icecream, chips, candys, burgers, coke..
Cause my body probably tells me: "I need it"
That's right. Your body craves/seeks/wants high energy foods - that's why we all to a greater or lesser extent like sweet foods, energy-rich foods. Which bit didn't you understand and I'll try to explain it with more spaces between the words

Did you know that cholesterol is also essential for your body's function, yet many people - like you, I guess - think that cholesterol, like salt, is "bad"...

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This could have become an interresting discussion, but you guys become personal and primitive all the time. A big bravo for this.
Joe, no one is going personal or primitive. No one has insulted you, and no one is attacking you.
You need to learn the distinction between:

You are an idiot

vs.

What you wrote is idiotic

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That's right. Your body craves/seeks/wants high energy foods - that's why we all to a greater or lesser extent like sweet foods, energy-rich foods. Which bit didn't you understand and I'll try to explain it with more spaces between the words

Did you know that cholesterol is also essential for your body's function, yet many people - like you, I guess - think that cholesterol, like salt, is "bad"...
This is a bit out of order. Perhaps try education rather than assassination?
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Re: Do you drink tap water?

I feel there's a lot of heated opinions and quasi-factual information being posted here.

I'm by no means a professional on the topic, but I always take stats and publications with a pinch of salt (no pun intended).

Many strong beliefs, engrained by well published scientific reports have just been accepted by the general public and thus seem to be set in stone.

I would just like to point out a study published earlier this month in Journal of the American Medical Association. (Fairly good peer edited journal ) finding that low sodium diet are not a healthy as earlier believed, and rather those with higher salt intake (NaCl) actually reduced the risk of heart diseases.

Just a little food for thought to stew over.
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That's right. Your body craves/seeks/wants high energy foods - that's why we all to a greater or lesser extent like sweet foods, energy-rich foods. Which bit didn't you understand and I'll try to explain it with more spaces between the words

Did you know that cholesterol is also essential for your body's function, yet many people - like you, I guess - think that cholesterol, like salt, is "bad"...
This instinct comes from the earlier days, where we needed to eat loads of fat for the winter. But since we lost our fur, we have to use our brain, or just get fat and die of heart attack. You can still do that if you want, but I am eating as little of fatening products as possible, basically I resign in most of the things I'd love to eat, and eat what I consider healthy instead. And I do quite well like that.
BTW; the treats from nowadays are often tricking our brain, and dont give our body what it expects getting from it.
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This instinct comes from the earlier days, where we needed to eat loads of fat for the winter. But since we lost our fur, we have to use our brain, or just get fat and die of heart attack. You can still do that if you want, but I am eating as little of fatening products as possible, basically I resign in most of the things I'd love to eat, and eat what I consider healthy instead. And I do quite well like that.
BTW; the treats from nowadays are often tricking our brain, and dont give our body what it expects getting from it.
Thanks for repeating what I wrote... glad we can actually agree on this

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This is a bit out of order. Perhaps try education rather than assassination?
I fail to see what is out of order. If something is wrong, do point it out. As Chemmie has pointed out later, the "salt is bad for" is an oversimplification, which is usually accompanied by "fat is bad" and "sugar is bad" - a triad if you will.
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This instinct comes from the earlier days, where we needed to eat loads of fat for the winter. But since we lost our fur, we have to use our brain, or just get fat and die of heart attack...... and so on...
Joe - what specifically does this have to do with tap water in Switzerland
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Re: Do you drink tap water?

I fear we are getting more and more away from the original topic. But diet conversation is usually a big no-no... You know why? Just open a Cosmopolitan and a Marie Claire: they are full of "miracle diets" that will get you 10 pounds less for summer, by cutting away all fat, all sugar, all food variety, and sending you to psychiatric ward when you find out all the other women are still thinner than you and you feel like crap.

A healthy diet depends on two things only: YOUR BODY and what you define as "healthy". Your body is different from all others.

Example: I need to take a higher dose of sodium, which most people consider to be suicide in terms of potencial heart problems. The milk that is so healthy and you should drink 3 cups per day? Sends me to hospital. Eating vegetarian? Is for a lot people dangerous. Cutting away all that gives you pleasure, including alchool, sugars and fats? Dangerous for your psycological well-being.

I was born in the most gorgeous country in terms of food. We eat a lot of fat, a lot of sugar, we like a nice Port after lunch... But we eat a lot of soup, fruit and those gorgeous fresh fishes you can by at the sea market.

I am very thankful to my Science teatcher who taught my 9 year self very well: healthy means balance, the correct dose of each type of food, having pleasure on what you eat, and burning Cosmopolitans on funeral pyres à lá burning bras in the 60's style.
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Joe - what specifically does this have to do with tap water in Switzerland
His premise was that too much kalk in water is bad for you because it is inorganic. (Unless I misunderstood.)
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Re: Do you drink tap water?

We drink the tap water and love it

We refuse to buy bottled for all the reasons mentioned.

We also bought a bubble maker and 4 bottles so we always have a cool bottle in the fridge and can add bubbles if we so please.

Very good investement!

For baby bottles I used to boil water and let it cool, at least for a few months. Then I started using tap water directly as all (Docto, Midwife etc)advised this was safe to do.

So not to worry, drink away and save the CHF for other things

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Cations and not in it's pure form I must add, it's more than likely in the form of a salt.

Probably Calcium Carbonate (CAC03), which would break down nicely in contact with an acid, such as that found in the stomach.
In water, it'd be the ions - Ca2+ and CO3 2-, not in the form of CaCO3. Otherwise, everytime you drank water, you'd burp like you'd just drunk some coke.
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In water, it'd be the ions - Ca2+ and CO3 2-, not in the form of CaCO3. Otherwise, everytime you drank water, you'd burp like you'd just drunk some coke.
Most likely, it'd be crunchy.
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I drank tap water in London, which doesn't taste half as good as the water here.
But it tastes twice as good as the beer here
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