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Is there some reason bread from the supermarkets is generally so expensive?

Yes, yes I know things in CH are expensive, I get it, but I find all the supermarkets (Migros, Coop, Spar, Aldi (nearly put Asda in there then, oops), and Lidl) offerings of bread even for small loafs are pretty steep.

Is there some economic reason for this?
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Is there some reason bread from the supermarkets is generally so expensive?

Yes, yes I know things in CH are expensive, I get it, but I find all the supermarkets (Migros, Coop, Spar, Aldi (nearly put Asda in there then, oops), and Lidl) offerings of bread even for small loafs are pretty steep.

Is there some economic reason for this?
Quality of ingredients ?
I don't find it that expensive, just an appalling selection (based purely on me expecting to see bread varieties similar to UK stores)...

What about demand, with low volume keeping prices up...I would say that the Swiss are not a bread nation...

Most large UK superstores can afford to bake in house keeping prices down. I think the smaller supermarkets here can't really do that.
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Old 22.05.2011, 17:36
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If bread is your only economic worry here then you are doing well.
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Quality of ingredients ?
I don't find it that expensive, just an appalling selection (based purely on me expecting to see bread varieties similar to UK stores)...

What about demand, with low volume keeping prices up...I would say that the Swiss are not a bread nation...

Most large UK superstores can afford to bake in house keeping prices down. I think the smaller supermarkets here can't really do that.
Switzerland IS a bread nation ! Which is why there is a wide varieties of bread available (at least in larger shops), unless you arrive when most things are sold out. And UK stores ? Not been in the UK for a decade, but what I have in memory of UK stores is rather a meagre choice of bread available.

The prices however of course reflect the fairly small farms producing the stuff. It is not so much a problem of the bakeries but of the farming side. Which by international comparison are extremely inefficient (due to lack of size) and therefore are highly subsidized. Farms from neighbouring areas in Germany for example cannot get into the Swiss market as not being CH-subsidized.
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Old 22.05.2011, 18:56
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Re: Bread

good selection of bread in CH but I still miss the variety I've seen in Austria for example.
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Re: Bread

It depends on what bread you buy - if you want a plain white loaf (pain mi-blanc) I have seen a large loaf for 1.15 and the smaller one for .90 in the Migros - cheap as chips..........
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Old 22.05.2011, 19:06
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Re: Bread

...... it's 'cos bakers need the dough.
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Old 22.05.2011, 19:39
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Is there some reason bread from the supermarkets is generally so expensive?

Yes, yes I know things in CH are expensive, I get it, but I find all the supermarkets (Migros, Coop, Spar, Aldi (nearly put Asda in there then, oops), and Lidl) offerings of bread even for small loafs are pretty steep.

Is there some economic reason for this?
Crop is expensive
Salaries of the bakers is expensive
Salaries of the shop-staff is expensive
Rent for the shop is expensive
etc.

That said, the bread in the supermarkets (and petrol stations etc.) I do consider barely acceptable (or already below)
It's nice the first day (maybe), but it turns into a lump of rubber the next day.

Consider buying bread from an organic bakery (sold at http://www.eglibio.ch or http://www.reformhaus.ch/verkaufsstellen/index.php for example, but there are various more of course).
It is of course even more expensive, but at least, you get something for the money.
The quality and taste is orders of magnitude beyond anything you can buy at Migros et.al.
Not only does it taste very good, it is also much better from a nutritional point of view and it's filling much better and for a longer period (i.e. your overall calorie intake will decrease.

Think about it: bread is probably the food you eat most of during your entire life. While it may make sense to cut expenses there from a purely economic point of view, it's insane from almost any other...
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Is there some reason bread from the supermarkets is generally so expensive?

Yes, yes I know things in CH are expensive, I get it, but I find all the supermarkets (Migros, Coop, Spar, Aldi (nearly put Asda in there then, oops), and Lidl) offerings of bread even for small loafs are pretty steep.

Is there some economic reason for this?
If you eat a lot of bread, you might want to consider buying a bread machine. There are ready made mixes you can buy, you just add water, and press a button.
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Old 22.05.2011, 21:41
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Re: Bread

If I buy bread, I prefer to do so from small bakery shops - mostly I bake my own. The selection of bread flours is not bad, however I recently brought a 2kg bag of stone-ground granary wholemeal flour back from the community bakers near my parents in Yorkshire. The bread it made just blew away anything I have made with the flours available here.

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Re: Bread

Apologies, I wasn't meaning to be crass with my original question. As much as I love being here and trying new things out, sometimes the things I miss most are my favourite little things eg tin of tomato soup with Warburtons Toastie Loaf bread or Asda/Sainsburys Tiger Bread for lunch.

I've just not been here long enough yet to get to know some good local shops, so I can venture away from the safety net I know as the supermarket.
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Old 23.05.2011, 13:28
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Switzerland IS a bread nation ! Which is why there is a wide varieties of bread available (at least in larger shops).
hahahahahahaha!

biggest joke EVER!!


even the shittiest, smallest bakery, what ever coporate bakery you check out, or any supermarkets in bumbleficknowhere in germany has bigger, wider and more delicious bread varieties! just because us germans build a target group ZH bakeries do sour dough bread that didnt exist before. so thx god for that! apart from that most bread i find is halbweiss/weiss, ruchbrot styles= sux. for certain bread i have to travel all through zurich and have to be in town way before 6pm...if not, its sold out! loafs are too small and the time it gets stall is too short. switzerland is no bread nation as its no beer and no football nation. word!
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Re: Bread

Please post in English.
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Re: Bread

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Germany prides itself on having the largest variety of breads worldwide. More than 300-500 basic kinds of bread come together with more than 1,000 types of small bread-rolls and pastries. It has been estimated that the basic kinds of bread are so widely varied by more than 16,000 local bakeries that more than 1,000 different breads have been presented at a 2005 Cologne bread show.[15] Germans are worldwide the biggest consumers (per capita) of bread followed by Chile.[16]
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oi, dunno if half white/full white bread makes more sense to you?
and ruchbrot is a type of bread...there is no translation.
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If you eat a lot of bread, you might want to consider buying a bread machine. There are ready made mixes you can buy, you just add water, and press a button.

One very easy, yet well-tasting bread can be had by:

- dissolving one pack (40-ish grams) of yeast in 500ml warm water (with a fork)
- adding 120g sunflower seeds
- adding 60g of linseed
- adding 30g of sesame
- two tea-spoons of salt
- two table-spoons of vinegar (the cheapest you can find is enough - no need to waste the 60-CHF balsamico)
- 500g of flour ("Vollkornmehl" might be the one you should use - I have a "1050" flour from a mill in Germany for this)

mix it all up with the fork and fill it in a loaf-pan lined with baking parchment, ideally prepared in advance.
Then, put it in the cold oven, set temperature to 225 degrees and bake for an hour. I usually let it have an hour and five minutes.
Let it cool on a wire rack.

With a bit of preparation, this bread takes about 10 minutes to make (plus the hour it takes to bake).

I highly recommend storing bread in a Brottopf (breadbowl):
http://www.google.ch/search?q=brotto...&bih=793&uss=1
Good bread is edible even after a week of storage (provided the environment is not too extreme: not too humid, not too warm and handling is done cleanly).
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hahahahahahaha!

biggest joke EVER!!


even the shittiest, smallest bakery, what ever coporate bakery you check out, or any supermarkets in bumbleficknowhere in germany has bigger, wider and more delicious bread varieties! just because us germans build a target group ZH bakeries do sour dough bread that didnt exist before. so thx god for that! apart from that most bread i find is halbweiss/weiss, ruchbrot styles= sux. for certain bread i have to travel all through zurich and have to be in town way before 6pm...if not, its sold out! loafs are too small and the time it gets stall is too short. switzerland is no bread nation as its no beer and no football nation. word!
Oh boy, did you get fired this morning or what?

OP there is some good wholemeal tost at Migros and there is Heinz tomato soup (at coop I think) which is very good.

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hahahahahahaha!

biggest joke EVER!!


even the shittiest, smallest bakery, what ever coporate bakery you check out, or any supermarkets in bumbleficknowhere in germany has bigger, wider and more delicious bread varieties! just because us germans build a target group ZH bakeries do sour dough bread that didnt exist before. so thx god for that! apart from that most bread i find is halbweiss/weiss, ruchbrot styles= sux. for certain bread i have to travel all through zurich and have to be in town way before 6pm...if not, its sold out! loafs are too small and the time it gets stall is too short. switzerland is no bread nation as its no beer and no football nation. word!
So as you rely on their hospitality to stay here I take it you don't consume bread or beer and aren't into football!
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Germany prides itself on having the largest variety of breads worldwide. More than 300-500 basic kinds of bread come together with more than 1,000 types of small bread-rolls and pastries. It has been estimated that the basic kinds of bread are so widely varied by more than 16,000 local bakeries that more than 1,000 different breads have been presented at a 2005 Cologne bread show.[15] Germans are worldwide the biggest consumers (per capita) of bread followed by Chile.[16]
Nicely copied from Wikipedia without including the word "dubious" which appears right next to it. Unfortunately it seems to be difficult to get good comperable consumption statistics without paying for them.

Found a statistic from the Federation of Bakers which states that in Germany 65% of bread comes from craft bakeries and in Switzerland 66%. Also something like 300 different bread varieties are baked which given the much smaller size and population is certainly comperable to if not better than Germany.

Plus I much prefer Swiss bread. But that's what I'm used to.
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Germany prides itself on having the largest variety of breads worldwide. More than 300-500 basic kinds of bread come together with more than 1,000 types of small bread-rolls and pastries. It has been estimated that the basic kinds of bread are so widely varied by more than 16,000 local bakeries that more than 1,000 different breads have been presented at a 2005 Cologne bread show.[15] Germans are worldwide the biggest consumers (per capita) of bread followed by Chile.[16]

..and they all taste of cardboard

(the bread, not the Germans)
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