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Old 17.08.2011, 11:30
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Actually, it's Italian

No, it's not. It's owned by an Italian company, Ferrero, but is a German product from the German arm of the company.
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Re: Coop to stop selling some product lines

I was in Coop last night, Vokeswil, and most of the L'oreal hair products have all gone...

Get them whilst you can!
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Old 17.08.2011, 12:15
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To me, this proves the point of a massively naive ad campaign: if the non-restocking could have a sense in the bargaining, getting rid of the missing pieces as fast as possible seems...a bit surreal, and I don't really understand the sense.
Because the "visual" of the empty shelves is the striking one....no point taking massive pages in newspapers to say they are going to be off the shelves and then.....you know......still having them. Selling a few boxes of shampoo at a 50% discount for a few days is a lot cheaper than the potential gain of getting Mars etc to share in the FX issue 50/50
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Old 17.08.2011, 13:13
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Re: Coop to stop selling some product lines

If I were Mars, I'd cut a deal with Migros and refuse to supply any products to Coop.
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Old 17.08.2011, 13:14
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If I were Mars, I'd cut a deal with Migros and refuse to supply any products to Coop.
And sell half what they sell today?
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Old 17.08.2011, 13:29
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And sell half what they sell today?
Yup.

Coop are big in Switzerland, but globally Mars have bigger balls.

People who want their Balistos and M&Ms or have fussy cats will still buy their products elsewhere.

I'd rather not make a profit in an area than be so publicly dictated to by a vendor.




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Old 17.08.2011, 13:47
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Yup.

Coop are big in Switzerland, but globally Mars have bigger balls.

People who want their Balistos and M&Ms or have fussy cats will still buy their products elsewhere.

I'd rather not make a profit in an area than be so publicly dictated to by a vendor.




But that's probably why I push buttons for other people to make a living, instead of living the life of the billionaire entrepreneur.
Mars is a bad example coz its privately owned, but Wall Street wouldn't allow a business to miss a quarter of earnings forecasts without punishing them hard on the stock price.....so businesses can't ever afford to take a short term hit even if its the right thing to do in the long term. Its a trap, but its how it works unfortunately
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Old 17.08.2011, 14:09
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I doubt they're getting nearly as much pressure from consumers as they are from shareholders so I'm going to guess if they do, it'll be a token effort.
and who do you think the "shareholders" are?

the consumers are the shareholders.
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Old 17.08.2011, 14:18
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Actually I think that's more to do with the general failure of the Stucki centre as a whole, not the Migros store itself. Stucki was billed as such a huge oasis for shoppers when it opened, and it turned out to be a bit of a disappointment all round with a lot of small expensive shops in it.
The problem is the whole fixation that people want to shop in shopping malls and shopping centers just because that's what they do in the USA. People here don't want that. They want to shop locally or to be able to stop off some convenient place on the way home from work. Migros was some years ago driving hard to push shoppers into larger shopping centers and away from its smaller local stores. The experiment backfired as closing the local Migros didn't mean the customer went the extra mile to where Migros wanted them, but they just abandoned Migros and went to Coop or Denner instead. Now they are tyring to repair the damage, for example through the Migrolino brand.
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Old 17.08.2011, 14:20
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and who do you think the "shareholders" are?

the consumers are the shareholders.
How are consumers shareholders? Shareholders are the guys that own the company
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Old 17.08.2011, 14:22
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Seriously? Soon, the entire product line will fit into a small 7-11. *sigh*
It already does. Have you not noticed that the larger stores don't really stock more range, simply more of the same.
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Old 17.08.2011, 14:26
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How are consumers shareholders? Shareholders are the guys that own the company
Exactly, and who do you think owns Migros? As a customer, you do. Migros is jointly owned as a cooperative and is the collective property of its customers. You can go to their shareholder meeting and speak up and vote. Or you can stay at home and complain that all those shareholders (including yourself) are evil profiteers. Which did you do?
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Old 17.08.2011, 14:37
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Mars is a bad example coz its privately owned
That's why I chose them, rather than the other two, to use for my imaginary Coop flounce.
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Re: Coop to stop selling some product lines

I think not. I have heard this arguement before : that they can do no wrong because they are not a "commercial entity" in the shareholder sense makes them somehow unaccountable. Wake up and smell the overpriced coffee.

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Exactly, and who do you think owns Migros? As a customer, you do. Migros is jointly owned as a cooperative and is the collective property of its customers. You can go to their shareholder meeting and speak up and vote. Or you can stay at home and complain that all those shareholders (including yourself) are evil profiteers. Which did you do?
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Old 17.08.2011, 14:47
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Is that right? That surprises me if true - I can't imagine that Mars, Kellogs, Coke etc need importers and I can't imagine that either party enjoys paying a margin to a middle man.

Why don't they do it directly?
That's true, all the big brands have exclusive importers. The reason is pricing policy, due to the lower price sensitivity of the Swiss consumers and no parallel imports they are not really exposed to market forces and can set the price as they see it fit for the relevant market. Coop does have some, but not too much, bargaining power for branded products that don't have close substitutes. That's also the reason why German supermarkets (Lidl, Aldi) still have a relatively small market share, they have to adjust to the Swiss market structure too.
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The problem is the whole fixation that people want to shop in shopping malls and shopping centers just because that's what they do in the USA. People here don't want that. They want to shop locally or to be able to stop off some convenient place on the way home from work. Migros was some years ago driving hard to push shoppers into larger shopping centers and away from its smaller local stores. The experiment backfired as closing the local Migros didn't mean the customer went the extra mile to where Migros wanted them, but they just abandoned Migros and went to Coop or Denner instead. Now they are tyring to repair the damage, for example through the Migrolino brand.
That's utter nonsense. The problem lies with the idiotic shopping hours and the lack of attractive stores. Migros should never be situated in a shopping mall. Generally speaking, you'll never see a Walmart inside a shopping mall anywhere around the world. It's actually an old Swiss concept to put a retailer inside a mall..and it may have worked back in the days, but the Swiss consumer has evolved over the years.
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Re: Coop to stop selling some product lines

The manufacturer chooses their importer. The retailer chooses whether or not to deal with that importer (even if it means not carrying a range). The swiss reluctance to enforce the rights to parallel imports is a key part of the problem as it prevents alternative solutions. Such protectionist situations have already been liberalised across EU.

The main problem as I see it is the apathy of the consumer and the regulatory protectionist environment that prevails in so many areas in Switzerland. Until there is relief from this there will be no real competition to drive down prices.

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That's true, all the big brands have exclusive importers. The reason is pricing policy, due to the lower price sensitivity of the Swiss consumers and no parallel imports they are not really exposed to market forces and can set the price as they see it fit for the relevant market. Coop does have some, but not too much, bargaining power for branded products that don't have close substitutes. That's also the reason why German supermarkets (Lidl, Aldi) still have a relatively small market share, they have to adjust to the Swiss market structure too.
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That's utter nonsense. The problem lies with the idiotic shopping hours and the lack of attractive stores. Migros should never be situated in a shopping mall. Generally speaking, you'll never see a Walmart inside a shopping mall anywhere around the world. It's actually an old Swiss concept to put a retailer inside a mall..and it may have worked back in the days, but the Swiss consumer has evolved over the years.
Not really true, most shopping centers I've been to all over the world have a department store including a food section, pretty similar to the MMMs you see in Swiss(erland)
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I think not. I have heard this arguement before : that they can do no wrong because they are not a "commercial entity" in the shareholder sense makes them somehow unaccountable. Wake up and smell the overpriced coffee.

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And that's why you don't speak up at the shareholder meeting?
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Re: Coop to stop selling some product lines

I visited the *new* shopping centre a year or so ago in Bern. It had a Migros and a Globus. In fact it had nothing that I had not seen in other small towns. Certainly not a destination shopping experience. In fact, it was crap.

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That's utter nonsense. The problem lies with the idiotic shopping hours and the lack of attractive stores. Migros should never be situated in a shopping mall. Generally speaking, you'll never see a Walmart inside a shopping mall anywhere around the world. It's actually an old Swiss concept to put a retailer inside a mall..and it may have worked back in the days, but the Swiss consumer has evolved over the years.
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