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Re: Hob is rubbish......so buy new pans?

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It sounds like the next question to be asked is,
How to sabotage an electric hob so that the landlord is forced to buy a modern induction hob.
No, how do I get the landlord to acknowledge that it needs replacing.
I have a 3 year old who should be in bed by 19:00, I finish work at 18:00, takes us 30 minutes to get home and then I've got to feed her. If it takes 10 minutes to boil water..... and longer to get the oven to heat to temp, what do I feed her? Beans on toast, or microwaved sausages are OK once in a while but I need to give her food sometimes too.
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Old 14.09.2011, 18:28
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Re: Hob is rubbish......so buy new pans?

I don't have much to add really, other than to say "yes they are bloody awful" and "that's why we have an induction hob".

I can boil tap cold water on my induction hob in 30 seconds (with the "super power" button and a good pan). It's brilliant and I would never have another kind of hob now - including gas - as it has the advantage that you take the pan off and it's not hot - a little warm but you wouldn't have melted your tupperware on it.

[It doesn't help at all does it? Sorry about that....]

How about a camping stove? Pot noodle? New house?
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How about a camping stove? Pot noodle? New house?


Camping stove I have, just need to buy gas canisters, pot noddles I've not found yet, and probably would be healthier to feed her raw potatoes. New house, LOL! I'll just pop out and get an affordable apartment in Zurich to move into shall I.

It is good to know I'm not alone in a way, but I'd rather I was, because that would mean my hob was dud rather than just the run of the mill cr@p
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No, how do I get the landlord to acknowledge that it needs replacing.
I have a 3 year old who should be in bed by 19:00, I finish work at 18:00, takes us 30 minutes to get home and then I've got to feed her. If it takes 10 minutes to boil water..... and longer to get the oven to heat to temp, what do I feed her? Beans on toast, or microwaved sausages are OK once in a while but I need to give her food sometimes too.
I hardly ever use the hob to boil water. Why not get a kettle? I'd be lost without mine.
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Re: Hob is rubbish......so buy new pans?

We have one of the old fashioned stove as in the picture above. Used with a kettle, it works pretty well. 2 rings are 'fast' (ish) and 2 for simmering. Takes a bit of getting used to, but it's fine. Will replace when it goes bust (and when (???) the recovers or the Chuffs collapses, lol. Much prefer it to the so-called top notch Neff I had in UK, actually.
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Old 14.09.2011, 18:53
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Re: Hob is rubbish......so buy new pans?

Is it a free standing hob with oven? Would it be a good idea to buy a decent one and live happily for years?

You might even be able to sell it on to the next tenant at a fair price.

Take a look at Fust, they offer 15 models online,
http://www.fust.ch/de/nav/shop/onlin...a1469d78446d89
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Old 14.09.2011, 19:21
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Re: Hob is rubbish......so buy new pans?

First, check to see if you have quick start plates (usually the right hand ones) By turning the control knob to the limit and then a bit over, this should kick the quick start in. Difficult to explain, maybe some one here will be along to expain it better.
When I once moved into a new flat with ceramic hob, one of my older pans was a bit wobbly and I thought I would have to replace it. But after using it a few times, it must have straightened itself out because it never wobbled after that. Might be worth a try.
Also, in an other move, the oven was really old but still working and they told us that they would replace it for a new one, but put the rent up by 35 francs a month. We bought one ourselves and left it in after we moved about six years on. So I'm sure we saved ourselves some rent money, plus had the oven we wanted.
www.preisigelektro.ch in Dubendorf have good prices and will deliver and fit and have good service.

I meant to add, I have those rings by choice because I like to shake the pan onehanded whilst cooking and would ruin a ceramic hob doing that. I couldn't cook well on gas. I guess its just what you get used to.
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Old 14.09.2011, 19:27
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Re: Hob is rubbish......so buy new pans?

at first i was hoping this would be like the fridge with the 1 = lowest/highest confusion

but it looks like you have a crap old oven. save your sanity and buy a portable gas stove.
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Old 14.09.2011, 21:13
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Re: Hob is rubbish......so buy new pans?

Those black cast iron hobs with a dimple in the center (but NOT with a spring-loaded stainless hub, which is a thermostat sensor) have three coils and usually six knob positions besides OFF. The knob connects the coils one by one and, depending on its position, either serial or parallel to the power source, thus setting the temperature.

If one of the coils is broken, the hob still heats up, which may look like it's working fine, but it will provide insufficient heat, and when switching the knob position, it will either make a huge difference or none at all. That's exactly what several posters described.

My guess is, you have a broken coil. Such a hob needs replacing.
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Re: Hob is rubbish......so buy new pans?

Just invite the agent for dinner- and make him wait, and wait, and wait a bit more... hopefully he WILL get the message.

In the meantime though, do buy a decent kettle and always boil the water first.
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I hardly ever use the hob to boil water. Why not get a kettle? I'd be lost without mine.
I do, I boil water in the kettle and then put in in a saucepan to cook pasta/potatoes/veggies etc. It's a bit sill to boil potatoes in a kettle, and my masher doesn't fit in it anyway.
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Those black cast iron hobs with a dimple in the center (but NOT with a spring-loaded stainless hub, which is a thermostat sensor) have three coils and usually six knob positions besides OFF. The knob connects the coils one by one and, depending on its position, either serial or parallel to the power source, thus setting the temperature.

If one of the coils is broken, the hob still heats up, which may look like it's working fine, but it will provide insufficient heat, and when switching the knob position, it will either make a huge difference or none at all. That's exactly what several posters described.

My guess is, you have a broken coil. Such a hob needs replacing.
That's what I thought, which is why i was confused that the electrician didn't even turn it on, but instead just got a rule out.

Oh, and it's fitted so I can't replace it myself
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I do, I boil water in the kettle and then put in in a saucepan to cook pasta/potatoes/veggies etc. It's a bit sill to boil potatoes in a kettle, and my masher doesn't fit in it anyway.
This is what I use to mash potatoes after boiling them in my kettle......


....but it's a pain cleaning the kettle out afterwards!
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Re: Hob is rubbish......so buy new pans?

hand blenders turn potatoes into glue.

i agree electric hobs are rubbish in general. but don't go out and get all new pans. buy one & see if that helps. if it does well there is your answer. if not call them back.
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Yes, made that mistake ONCE (and never again)!

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Those black cast iron hobs with a dimple in the center (but NOT with a spring-loaded stainless hub, which is a thermostat sensor) have three coils and usually six knob positions besides OFF. The knob connects the coils one by one and, depending on its position, either serial or parallel to the power source, thus setting the temperature.

If one of the coils is broken, the hob still heats up, which may look like it's working fine, but it will provide insufficient heat, and when switching the knob position, it will either make a huge difference or none at all. That's exactly what several posters described.

My guess is, you have a broken coil. Such a hob needs replacing.
Another possibility, the breaker for one or more phases is tripped. I have had this happen.

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Re: Hob is rubbish......so buy new pans?

I must be the only one who enjoys cooking on his electric thingy. It's a Siemens glass one and looks something like this-

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I must be the only one who enjoys cooking on his electric thingy. It's a Siemens glass one and looks something like this-

That looks like an induction hob which is very, very different to the one the OP is describing.
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I do, I boil water in the kettle and then put in in a saucepan to cook pasta/potatoes/veggies etc. It's a bit silly to boil potatoes in a kettle, and my masher doesn't fit in it anyway.
You didn't mention potatoes, pasta or vegetables in your post. You just said you wanted to "boil water".

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No, how do I get the landlord to acknowledge that it needs replacing.
I have a 3 year old who should be in bed by 19:00, I finish work at 18:00, takes us 30 minutes to get home and then I've got to feed her. If it takes 10 minutes to boil water..... and longer to get the oven to heat to temp, what do I feed her? Beans on toast, or microwaved sausages are OK once in a while but I need to give her food sometimes too.
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You didn't mention potatoes, pasta or vegetables in your post. You just said you wanted to "boil water".
Fair enough. But I did say boil boiling water in my first post.

Did an experiment last night (with neighbours flat pans) and I think it's only the big back burners, which is a shame as I use the back burners to cook because I have a very 'helpful' toddler. But also means it's probably a dud coil.
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