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Hob is rubbish......so buy new pans?

I moved into my flat last month, during the first week I noted issues and reported them to the letting agent, and reminded them of what they noted when I took over the flat (shower holder thing is broken, wrong keys, kitchen light doesn't work).
The main issue I had was the hob, (and the oven), in that it's not broken, but ridiculously slow. And the example I used is when I had to hob on for 1 minute (with a splash of water in a pan) and than added freshly boiled kettle water to it, it took 10 minute to get back to boiling. They came round turned the knob, put his hand over it and said it's working. So I explained in very broken basic german (Note less than a month here) that it was not broken but slow. That is was not hot but warm, [ignore this section] he feigned not to understand me so I changed to French, then he not only understood my (poor) high german, but also English (ok... this sounds like a complaints post) [Ignore this section].
Anyway, eventually he said a an electrician will come to look at it, they came, measured the flatness of the hobs, and the flatness of my pans and said that I need to buy new pans! (Which means that it's my cost not the agencies)
Really?????
Is electric so rubbish that you have to have an airtight seal? How do people with electric hobs stir fry?
And even with a few mm gap, should it really take 10 minutes to boil boiling water?
OK, I've had gas for the last decade, so I'm spoiled, but what's the point of electric hobs if it takes 20 minutes to cook a schnitzel?
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Old 14.09.2011, 15:33
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I moved into my flat last month, during the first week I noted issues and reported them to the letting agent, and reminded them of what they noted when I took over the flat (shower holder thing is broken, wrong keys, kitchen light doesn't work).
The main issue I had was the hob, (and the oven), in that it's not broken, but ridiculously slow. And the example I used is when I had to hob on for 1 minute (with a splash of water in a pan) and than added freshly boiled kettle water to it, it took 10 minute to get back to boiling. They came round turned the knob, put his hand over it and said it's working. So I explained in very broken basic german (Note less than a month here) that it was not broken but slow. That is was not hot but warm, [ignore this section] he feigned not to understand me so I changed to French, then he not only understood my (poor) high german, but also English (ok... this sounds like a complaints post) [Ignore this section].
Anyway, eventually he said a an electrician will come to look at it, they came, measured the flatness of the hobs, and the flatness of my pans and said that I need to buy new pans! (Which means that it's my cost not the agencies)
Really?????
Is electric so rubbish that you have to have an airtight seal? How do people with electric hobs stir fry?
And even with a few mm gap, should it really take 10 minutes to boil boiling water?
OK, I've had gas for the last decade, so I'm spoiled, but what's the point of electric hobs if it takes 20 minutes to cook a schnitzel?
That's why we got induction

Your pans are probably not very conductive. Buy or borrow one good one and see if there's an improvement. (Measure amount of water and time from cold to be a bit objective about it).
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Old 14.09.2011, 15:35
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Re: Hob is rubbish......so buy new pans?

What is this "hob" of which you speak?

We're living in the 21st Century, you know!




(a flat bottomed, conductive pan might be worth the investment, though)
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Old 14.09.2011, 15:36
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Re: Hob is rubbish......so buy new pans?

Not sure if it's all electric hobs here but ours is pretty rubbish too. It takes ages to boil anything and then seems to have only 2 options. The pans stays boiling furiously or you turn the knob to a lower number and it goes off the boil completely. There doesn't seem to be the possiblity to simmer anything.
I have been told that it's normal for electric hobs but I just find it reaaly annoying. Our pans are all good and flat bottomed so that's not the problem for us. I guess I'll just have to put up with it but I have to say I have never had as many pans boil dry in my life as I have had since we moved here a few months ago.

Going off to drwam about my lovely ceramic halogen hob now.
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I moved into my flat last month, during the first week I noted issues and reported them to the letting agent, and reminded them of what they noted when I took over the flat (shower holder thing is broken, wrong keys, kitchen light doesn't work).
The main issue I had was the hob, (and the oven), in that it's not broken, but ridiculously slow. And the example I used is when I had to hob on for 1 minute (with a splash of water in a pan) and than added freshly boiled kettle water to it, it took 10 minute to get back to boiling. They came round turned the knob, put his hand over it and said it's working. So I explained in very broken basic german (Note less than a month here) that it was not broken but slow. That is was not hot but warm, [ignore this section] he feigned not to understand me so I changed to French, then he not only understood my (poor) high german, but also English (ok... this sounds like a complaints post) [Ignore this section].
Anyway, eventually he said a an electrician will come to look at it, they came, measured the flatness of the hobs, and the flatness of my pans and said that I need to buy new pans! (Which means that it's my cost not the agencies)
Really?????
Is electric so rubbish that you have to have an airtight seal? How do people with electric hobs stir fry?
And even with a few mm gap, should it really take 10 minutes to boil boiling water?
OK, I've had gas for the last decade, so I'm spoiled, but what's the point of electric hobs if it takes 20 minutes to cook a schnitzel?
sounds like he's bullshitting, landlord doesn't want to spend the money upgrading the hob. its not uncommon to get miserly landlords in a market which favours the seller
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Old 14.09.2011, 15:40
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And even with a few mm gap, should it really take 10 minutes to boil boiling water?
Unless it is induction, yes.

You should have NO gap.

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And even with a few mm gap, should it really take 10 minutes to boil boiling water?
Dunno, but air isn't a particularly good conductor.

Put a wanted ad here. You might pick up something reasonable for nowt.
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sounds like he's bullshitting, landlord doesn't want to spend the money upgrading the hob. its not uncommon to get miserly landlords in a market which favours the seller
Hmmm, but the guy who came this morning was a contractor I think. I don't know where from, and how closely they work..... He didn't even turn them on, just got out a rule.... I will buy one new pan, and if boiling water doesn't boil in less than 2 minutes after the pan has been on the hob for a minute then I'm calling him back in.

And they still didn't fix my kitchen light.

Grumpy. But it's OK, because I can fry bacon on my raclette
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Hmmm, but the guy who came this morning was a contractor I think. I don't know where from, and how closely they work..... He didn't even turn them on, just got out a rule.... I will buy one new pan, and if boiling water doesn't boil in less than 2 minutes after the pan has been on the hob for a minute then I'm calling him back in.

And they still didn't fix my kitchen light.

Grumpy. But it's OK, because I can fry bacon on my raclette

then you'll be calling him back!

old hobs takes ages to heat up, and ages to cool back down again, I'm assuming its one where you have raised round almost stone like surfaces?

just like electric ovens, you have to turn them on, wait for them to heat up, then stick whatever you want to cook on them

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then you'll be calling him back!

old hobs takes ages to heat up, and ages to cool back down again, I'm assuming its one where you have raised round almost stone like surfaces?

just like electric ovens, you have to turn them on, wait for them to heat up, then stick whatever you want to cook on them
What I tend to do if I need a pan of boiling water is, while the kettle is on, add a little bit of water to the pan (plus salt if it's needed) and stick it on the hob. By the time the kettle's boiled the water in the ban is boiling and the pan is toasty warm, so doesn't "steal" much heat from the new water.

It's still worth getting a flat pan though. That inefficiency is costing you money.

And BB2's right. An old leccy hob isn't going to be as quick as a gas hob.
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old hobs takes ages to heat up, and ages to cool back down again, I'm assuming its one where you have raised round almost stone like surfaces?

just like electric ovens, you have to turn them on, wait for them to heat up, then stick whatever you want to cook on them
Yep. with a dimple in the middle. I knew about waiting to heat, which is why I turn it on whilst I boil the kettle.

And the frying pan for the schnitzel was on full for 5 minutes before I put the meat in, it spat nicely then did nothing for 5 minutes.....
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Yep. with a dimple in the middle. I knew about waiting to heat, which is why I turn it on whilst I boil the kettle.

And the frying pan for the schnitzel was on full for 5 minutes before I put the meat in, it spat nicely then did nothing for 5 minutes.....

sounds normal, they are cr@p
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What I tend to do if I need a pan of boiling water is, while the kettle is on, add a little bit of water to the pan (plus salt if it's needed) and stick it on the hob. By the time the kettle's boiled the water in the ban is boiling and the pan is toasty warm, so doesn't "steal" much heat from the new water.

It's still worth getting a flat pan though. That inefficiency is costing you money.

And BB2's right. An old leccy hob isn't going to be as quick as a gas hob.
Exactly what I did (w/o salt....and not waiting for the splash of water to boil). Which is why I said it took 10 minutes to get boiling water to the boil.
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Old 14.09.2011, 16:00
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Not sure if it's all electric hobs here but ours is pretty rubbish too. It takes ages to boil anything and then seems to have only 2 options. The pans stays boiling furiously or you turn the knob to a lower number and it goes off the boil completely. There doesn't seem to be the possiblity to simmer anything.
I have been told that it's normal for electric hobs but I just find it reaaly annoying. Our pans are all good and flat bottomed so that's not the problem for us. I guess I'll just have to put up with it but I have to say I have never had as many pans boil dry in my life as I have had since we moved here a few months ago.

Going off to drwam about my lovely ceramic halogen hob now.
I absolutely loathe mine (and it's one of the newer ceramic top ones) and I have very flat, conductive pans. These electric hobs are terrible as it's modal: burn or off. Very little in-between. Apparently it's normal for anyone who doesn't actually cook or who haven't cooked with something where the temperature is regulated where you can turn the dial and expect a certain step in temperature.

And don't get me started on my miniature electric oven....
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Re: Hob is rubbish......so buy new pans?

I just had the repair man in for my hob. On one burner only half of the element lit up - this was obvious to see though since it turns red and half of the coil was still black. Luckily it was new when we moved in and still under warranty - just!! I notified them about 4 months ago and it will be a year old in Ocotober.

I did have a cheap ikea frying pan that buckled after a couple uses and because it 'rocked' on the burner and was not it full contact it was useless (would have still be fine on gas though!!) I did buy new pans with reinforced circular base and they are much better. (got a set of 3 for 24.90 euro in Germany!!)
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Exactly what I did (w/o salt....and not waiting for the splash of water to boil). Which is why I said it took 10 minutes to get boiling water to the boil.
Well that's just rubbish.

If you drop a drop of water on he heated hob, does it "dance" as you'd expect?
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Well that's just rubbish.

If you drop a drop of water on he heated hob, does it "dance" as you'd expect?
not tried that to be honest.
I did melt my tupperware lid buy turning the hob on rather than the oven....... (Don't drink and cook)
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Yep. with a dimple in the middle. I knew about waiting to heat, which is why I turn it on whilst I boil the kettle.

And the frying pan for the schnitzel was on full for 5 minutes before I put the meat in, it spat nicely then did nothing for 5 minutes.....
I have this type - just did an experiment (should have been getting the dinner ready... )

To get half a litre of tap-cold water to boiling (rolling boil which you'd use for pasta) it took 5:03 mins. The kettle takes less than half this time.

I have new Silit pans so they should be pretty flat-bottomed (or I want my arm and leg back ).

I was used to cooking on gas before I came to Switzerland and I believe most chefs prefer gas for its controllability.
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Cook, cook, cookability, that's the beauty of gas.....
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Re: Hob is rubbish......so buy new pans?

It sounds like the next question to be asked is,
How to sabotage an electric hob so that the landlord is forced to buy a modern induction hob.
Do you have a pet mouse or rat? They really like electrical cable, but just remember to turn the electric off, unless you like to eat your pets.
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