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Old 26.10.2011, 18:45
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That could be fun. As to the JW, I guess I'll have a soft spot for it- JW Gold was my first scotch, and what got me started on aged liquor in general. I did used to have Glenmorangie 12yr(loved it because it was a little sweeter) and Glenfiddich 12yr (liked the peat flavors), and I've liked any Macallan older than the 12 year (the 12 year tastes too similar to many other 12 years that can be had for much less in the US).
That's like saying you lost your virginity at the local trucker T&A bar Maybe I'll try and get a whisky night set up so I have an excuse to go out after dark and lend some of my enthusiasm for the single malt to anyone interested. If you like Glenfiddich, I could really show you a few malts that would blow your doors off. The Mac 15 (I agree the 12 is rather dull) is probably the best all-around malt since the 18 and 25 are much more expensive and a bit too nuanced for the casual drinker at that premium. Glenmorangie, too, is a good dram but their affinity lately for various expressions have left me less interested. Bowmore, especially the recent "Mariner" expression, is really under appreciated. I really miss the Whisky Society tastings I used to frequent before I had my daughter as there were always so many interesting new tastes and smells. I love the smell of the stuff. I'd love to live in Scotland, but I fear I'd be a useless drunk whereas a tourist I'm just a cliche.

And I'll forgive you on the ice cubes in your dram, but really only a bit of filtered water belongs in a good dram and a cask strength dram at that. Perhaps I can show you the light.

As for grappa....I've only had it on a number of occasions and was of a similar mind, but only after a friend showed me that grappa can be as varied as single malt did I develop an appreciation for it. It's not my favorite drink, but if you choose a good one, it is a lovely thing to have on a warm summer evening with a cool breeze after a refreshing meal. Good times.
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Old 26.10.2011, 21:15
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Re: Cheapest Chivas in Zurich

I got a bottle of Dalmore for £19 last time I flew from London City Airport. A couple weeks later I flew from Heathrow and it was twice the price! My next flight from the UK is from LCY so I'll pick up a bottle of something else if it's at a good price.
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Old 26.10.2011, 21:31
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Now I regard grappa as jet fuel...
A good grappa will cost as much or more as a good scotch, but I'll take a good Ticinese grappa any day.

Unfortunately, to find a good grappa, you have to know people (like the guy we bought our pet rabbit from).

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That's like saying you lost your virginity at the local trucker T&A bar Maybe I'll try and get a whisky night set up so I have an excuse to go out after dark and lend some of my enthusiasm for the single malt to anyone interested. If you like Glenfiddich, I could really show you a few malts that would blow your doors off. The Mac 15 (I agree the 12 is rather dull) is probably the best all-around malt since the 18 and 25 are much more expensive and a bit too nuanced for the casual drinker at that premium. Glenmorangie, too, is a good dram but their affinity lately for various expressions have left me less interested. Bowmore, especially the recent "Mariner" expression, is really under appreciated. I really miss the Whisky Society tastings I used to frequent before I had my daughter as there were always so many interesting new tastes and smells. I love the smell of the stuff. I'd love to live in Scotland, but I fear I'd be a useless drunk whereas a tourist I'm just a cliche.

And I'll forgive you on the ice cubes in your dram, but really only a bit of filtered water belongs in a good dram and a cask strength dram at that. Perhaps I can show you the light.

As for grappa....I've only had it on a number of occasions and was of a similar mind, but only after a friend showed me that grappa can be as varied as single malt did I develop an appreciation for it. It's not my favorite drink, but if you choose a good one, it is a lovely thing to have on a warm summer evening with a cool breeze after a refreshing meal. Good times.
I am also a single malt fan. I remember visiting three distilleries in Scotland a few years back on holiday but being unable to partake in the free sampling after the tour because I was wallowing round with a pregnant belly .

Got some Dalwhinnie on the go at the mo along with a Glenkinchie still lurking around in the cupboard. Both girly whiskeys but, hey...
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Is the Glen Grant worth it over a few cubes of ice? That's how I drink my Scotch- I like the way the flavor comes out when it warms in my mouth. I brought my crystal DOF glasses from the states, and sadly, I don't have anything to put in them...
It lacks a little in smoothness and refinement, compared to better quality (and more expensive) malts, but is certainly drinkable and easily comparable to top end blended varieties; and - as I mentioned previously - doesn't leave a bad head the next day, if one or two more than intended is consumed.

In the interest of accuracy, I'm just reminding myself now - as I tend to drink more whisky during the colder months. When drunk in it's own right, you can enjoy it; if drunk after a better quality malt, you would notice the difference.

I prefer a splash of spring water, as opposed to ice, as the addition helps release oils contained within, adding to the flavour and smoothness.
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I prefer a splash of spring water, as opposed to ice, as the addition helps release oils contained within, adding to the flavour and smoothness.
This is precisely what I would like to know. I have always had my malts without the addition of anything at all, no water, no ice cubes, nothing!

Coincidently, just last week I met an Australian business colleague who insisted that the right way to have a malt was with at least with a few (as in just 2-3) drops of water. And he mentioned exactly the same reasons that you have mentioned.

Adding anything to a malt to me is sacrilege but obviously I might be wrong. Can you and the others throw some light...
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This is precisely what I would like to know. I have always had my malts without the addition of anything at all, no water, no ice cubes, nothing!

Coincidently, just last week I met an Australian business colleague who insisted that the right way to have a malt was with at least with a few (as in just 2-3) drops of water. And he mentioned exactly the same reasons that you have mentioned.

Adding anything to a malt to me is sacrilege but obviously I might be wrong. Can you and the others throw some light...
Well, as with most things, I think there's the rules and then there's your personal preference... I like my scotch on the rocks, but would I dilute a 200CHF or more per bottle scotch with ice? H-E-Double Hockey Sticks No- I would take it the way it was bottled.
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Old 26.10.2011, 23:16
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This is precisely what I would like to know. I have always had my malts without the addition of anything at all, no water, no ice cubes, nothing!

Coincidently, just last week I met an Australian business colleague who insisted that the right way to have a malt was with at least with a few (as in just 2-3) drops of water. And he mentioned exactly the same reasons that you have mentioned.

Adding anything to a malt to me is sacrilege but obviously I might be wrong. Can you and the others throw some light...
Exactly that - just a splash, and not a dilution, releases additional flavours, that would otherwise remain trapped. I can vouch for this, as many years ago, I saw a TV program (with reputable reporter) where a distillery was visited, and on a tasting the distillery spokesperson insisted that this is the only way to enjoy a good malt.

But try for yourself - two glasses - one straight (drink first), and one with a splash of water.
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Exactly that - just a splash, and not a dilution, releases additional flavours, that would otherwise remain trapped. I can vouch for this, as many years ago, I saw a TV program (with reputable reporter) where a distillery was visited, and on a tasting the distillery spokesperson insisted that this is the only way to enjoy a good malt.

But try for yourself - two glasses - one straight (drink first), and one with a splash of water.
This Australian colleague also said the same thing - he was with Australian Customs many, many years ago and was visiting Scotland for some training. He managed to visit quite a few distilleries during his stay there and he was also told to add at least a few drops at most of these places, exactly for the same reason that you have mentioned.

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Exactly that - just a splash, and not a dilution, releases additional flavours, that would otherwise remain trapped. I can vouch for this, as many years ago, I saw a TV program (with reputable reporter) where a distillery was visited, and on a tasting the distillery spokesperson insisted that this is the only way to enjoy a good malt.

But try for yourself - two glasses - one straight (drink first), and one with a splash of water.
I leaned that as well, shown to me by a guy in Sweden who owned a bar specializing in Scotch that I knew via a work colleague.

He had me try it first straight, then with a splash. It really made a (positive) difference!

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I am also a single malt fan. I remember visiting three distilleries in Scotland a few years back on holiday but being unable to partake in the free sampling after the tour because I was wallowing round with a pregnant belly .

Got some Dalwhinnie on the go at the mo along with a Glenkinchie still lurking around in the cupboard. Both girly whiskeys but, hey...
Oh my, that would have been difficult for me to go on a tour and not have a sample. I commend your fortitude. And both of those whiskies are solid choices. It's still somewhat uncommon to meet other women who enjoy whisky so I'm always glad to meet them, even virtually. If you ever want to go out for a dram, just give me a shout. It's always fun to first shock the bartender by asking for whisky and then continue the shock and awe by asking for rather unusual whiskies. I'm easily entertained.
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Adding anything to a malt to me is sacrilege but obviously I might be wrong. Can you and the others throw some light...
It depends largely on the malt itself. For a cask strength lagavulin, a little bit of water helps bloom the smell and the taste since it hasn't been diluted at all. For a Glen Goyne or a Mac, no, they're already smooth enough that just some hand warming should do. The more phenolic and the more aromatic a dram is, the more likely a very wee bit of water might help in terms of releasing more in terms taste and smell. Does that help?
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I've heard decanting helps release the flavor, as well...
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Re: Cheapest Chivas in Zurich

Another one here Lagavulin & Talisker are my dram of choice.

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It depends largely on the malt itself. For a cask strength lagavulin, a little bit of water helps bloom the smell and the taste since it hasn't been diluted at all. For a Glen Goyne or a Mac, no, they're already smooth enough that just some hand warming should do. The more phenolic and the more aromatic a dram is, the more likely a very wee bit of water might help in terms of releasing more in terms taste and smell. Does that help?
It does and it did! Thanks. The key then is to know which ones need water and which ones don't.

I just had a Laphoraig with just a wee bit of water. The taste remained the same but the aroma was phenomenal and it also became even smoother...
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Re: Cheapest Chivas in Zurich

If Chivas is what you like then Glen Grant should fit your needs - since it is usually what is used in the Chivas blend.

This all sounds like a reason for an EF event at the whisky ships in a month or so in Zurich. Who's in?

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Re: Cheapest Chivas in Zurich

Talisker, nuclear fuel!!!
I visited the distillery in 1992. We left at 8 to visit the region and arrived shortly before noon, just to late for a visit and were asked to wait for the 12.30 visit. I got my sample, my wife's sample, my sister inn law's sample and half of my brother in law's sample. I haven't got the faintest idea of the distillery but are a Talisker fanatic ever since, with the wee splash of water.
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Talisker, nuclear fuel!!!
I visited the distillery in 1992. We left at 8 to visit the region and arrived shortly before noon, just to late for a visit and were asked to wait for the 12.30 visit. I got my sample, my wife's sample, my sister inn law's sample and half of my brother in law's sample. I haven't got the faintest idea of the distillery but are a Talisker fanatic ever since, with the wee splash of water.
Lol . That's funny.
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There is a great upcoming event in Zurich for existing or to be whisky fans . You have an opportunity to learn about whiskies, taste different ones without breaking the bank. Give it a go and you will find one you like!

http://www.whiskyschiff.ch
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Re: Cheapest Chivas in Zurich

Check out Glen Fahrn its an incredible whiskey (and other) spirt shop in Zurich. Main one is beginning of old town just outside stadelhoffen. They have 50-60 bottles open on a given day to try. Prices are actually fair considering. I bought father in law a grappa last time, guys said try this, only 300 bottles made, thought I disliked grappa, it was like a fine cognac. I should have gotten one for myself, but on the expensive side at 130 I think.

Really an amazing place, I think they have over 1000 single malts. And if you get to know the guys, they will let you try stuff whenever you want and not make you feel obliged to buy.

Ardbeg Aligator was a bottle I bought recently, amazing stuff, limited run, smokey, smooth and lip smacking good.
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