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Re: Vegan advice

Well the human is an omnivore, that means anything that can be broken down in the body can be used as fuel.
Also the body is quite good at synthesizing what it needs from what it gets, however (but this is me) I would try protein shakes just to make sure.
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I know you mean well but just because you had bad experience does not mean that is how it would be for everyone. The dairy and meat industry have been going on about protein and calcium myth for ages. Always check who is paying for various bogus research studies.
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I read something recently about the importance of vitamin B supplements for a vegan diet.
You can take as many vitamin B supplements or eat meat but if your body does not absorb it then you would still remain deficient. Me and my wife eat exactly same veg diet but her vitamin B levels are double of mine. I am still in the normal range though. My point is that it's not that simple
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My 16year old niece has been a Vegan for 8 months now, and she says that she has never felt healthier in her life...
In spite of this, I'd check out the vitamin thing Oldhand and I mentioned. Quite a few deficiences don't show any sort of negative effects for a while. 8 months may sound like a long time but life goes on after that.
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Does she want to die? Do you want her to become seriously malnourished? Seriously, it's difficult enough being vegan if you do eat those things, but without them it's going to be almost impossible to get enough protein and vitamins.

Does she want to die????

Arent you being a bit over dramatic??? There are Sadus in India who survive on a few grains of rice a day. And millions of Vegan who are not malnourished.
Do you believe that Dairy and eggs provide so much vitamins? That the child would be malnourished without them? Well, I dont!
Teenagers are not as DE-sensitised as we are, so its is easier for a child or a teenager to show sympathy towards animals, and to stop eating meat, or to stop abusing our power and consuming their products.

I am so certain that, if we lived in a world where there were no slaughter houses or Butchers, and if we had to purchase our Cows, Lambs, Chickens and then slaughter the animal ourselves, skin them, De-bowel them ,and chopped them up into neat freezable sizes, we would be consuming so much meat either!
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In spite of this, I'd check out the vitamin thing Oldhand and I mentioned. Quite a few deficiences don't show any sort of negative effects for a while. 8 months may sound like a long time but life goes on after that.

She does get her iron levels checked regularly, and I am pretty sure that she is taking a Vit B supplement.
There are many cultures that have lived healthy Vegan lives without Vitamin supplements as well.
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What? What?

You can meet all your protein and calcium requirements easily without dairy and meat products. Do some thorough research before buying into all the GOT MILK hype.
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Re: Vegan advice

Here is my go-to recipe for vegan visitors. I make it with the spices as explained in the first review, rather than those in the recipe itself.

http://allrecipes.com/recipe/morocca...up/detail.aspx

That said, I also agree that your daughter needs to do the work (research healthy recipes) to become a vegan. (and that is coming from someone who has been mostly vegetarian for the last 20 years).
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Re: Vegan advice

In reply to various post I can tell you the following:

She does not have an eating disorder, she looks healthy and is not underweight.

She has been a vegetarian for about two years and the way we dealt with it was we basically cooked something that could be eaten without meat or she got supplementary things like mushrooms or cheese schnitzels.

Her reason for becoming a vegetarian was the way that animals are kept and raised to be slaughtered which she believes is cruel and she strongly disapproves of.

She cooks sometimes and very often we cook and bake together.

I don't mind cooking something extra for one of my kids, there is always something we like and they don't and usually it's not a big deal to prepare something else.

Becoming a vegan, however, plus the fact she allergic to soy product I feel makes the whole affair a lot more complicated, especially since my son is a meat-eater and MG's SIL too, but he's okay without meat for a day or two.

She doesn't like kdney beans, but she eats chickpeas and peas.
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I would try protein shakes just to make sure.
I get some stuff from here
http://www.body-attack.de/
I would keep away from those protein shakes. Eat whole foods not powder stuff. Too much protein in the diet can also cause calcium loss. One would have to have a really unhealthy diet to get protein deficiency.
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What? What?

You can meet all your protein and calcium requirements easily without dairy and meat products. Do some thorough research before buying into all the GOT MILK hype.

That is something I can never understand. Asian cultures have done perfectly well without Milk for centuries, and now, countries like China are introducing Milk into the school system, a glass day

I have not been drinking milk, yogurt and cheese (other than a drop in my tea) for 8years now. and my Calcium levels are fine!

to the OP : go to the local Reform house, there is a type of soy substitute, I have forgotten the name, made largely from wheat

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I know you mean well but just because you had bad experience does not mean that is how it would be for everyone. The dairy and meat industry have been going on about protein and calcium myth for ages. Always check who is paying for various bogus research studies.
Ahhh, I've got you now...It's THAAAT evil monolith of an industry.

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Re: Vegan advice

And I believe B12 is the only thing you cannot get from a vegan diet.
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Re: Vegan advice

Is that the guy who provides dairy and meat products to the whole western world?

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Re: Vegan advice

no, its this


I guess, you would think it would be fine to round up yourself(I'm assuming you are male) and your mates, keep you in stables with food and water, and hook you guys up to some machine twice a day, to collect all our semen, so it could be sold for a poor price?

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MusicChick please stop spreading misinformation.
Cmon, sharing personal experience or opinion is good.

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Just because you did not maintain a healthy balanced diet or did not exercise self control does not mean that vegan or vegetarian diet is automatically bad.
Naw, it's not at all, nobody said that either.
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There are many of us who are on veg or vegan diets for more than a decade and are perfectly healthy without falling teeth or brittle nails. I mean really wtfbbq?
Absolutely, though there are busy folks who won't have the time or knowledge, or funds, etc., and for them, combined with lower fake calcium absorption, it's a good advise to watch out for the things I mentioned, you see? I only warned against some possible scenarios. I actually mentioned friends and family who have been on solely veg diet and were pretty healthy, if you read my posts and don't get into the autopilot defend the veg way mode.

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Another thing just because someone starts eating vegetarian food does not mean they will lose weight.
It's exactly what I said. I am not sure if you are reading right, but I gained weight when vegan. It was nice.

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Btw I have not eaten peanut butter in years! All that sugar, salt, hydrogenated oils no thank you.
Nooo, you make your own, lovely stuff. By the way, your nearest healthfood store will have a lovely one sans the sugar, salt, hydrogenated oils, I am sure. I actually perfered the almond paste, moi.

MusicChick's way was time demanding, true that, also due to the market in deep dark times. MusicChick's way was uni with double majors, two jobs while tutoring as well and soaking and sprouting on top, coz I don't like bought stuff and prefered cooking from organic real scratch. The depletion was more due to absorption troubles of artifical supplements, that are a very real concern for some folks. For those, you can drink OJ with added calcium all you want and still be depleated. And not only coz you just munched on lettuce or spinach (which slow down calcium absorption, etc.).

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And I believe B12 is the only thing you cannot get from a vegan diet.


Mmmmmm.......... B12


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All vitamin B12 is produced by bacteria and all animals in their natural environment get enough B12. Most species consume B12 in their diet, but ruminants such as cattle and sheep have extra stomachs which allow bacteria to produce B12 internally provided the animals are consuming enough cobalt. Our great ape relatives consume up to 5% animal products with even the gorilla consuming up to 1% as insect contamination of their natural diet of leaves and fruit. In addition, gorillas and chimps do not spray their foods with pesticides (synthetic or organic) nor wash their food nor sanitise their water. In this natural environment all the great apes get enough B12 but when taken into captivity and fed the plant foods consumed by humans they require B12 supplements to avoid risk of B12 deficiency. Like the other great apes, humans do not get enough vitamin B12 from modern sanitised plant foods and water and therefore vegans stand to benefit from fortified foods or supplements.
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That is something I can never understand. Asian cultures have done perfectly well without Milk for centuries, and now, countries like China are introducing Milk into the school system, a glass day
Exactly. Do you know any specie that drinks milk of another specie? We drink as adults milk of another specie, mind boggles. We just needs mum's milk to start off with.
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And I believe B12 is the only thing you cannot get from a vegan diet.
but you can get B12 injections. i guess not particularly pleasant to have to take a daily jab, but, hey, think of the animals :P
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Exactly. Do you know any specie that drinks milk of another specie? We drink as adults milk of another specie, mind boggles. We just needs mum's milk to start off with.
Yeah but anything else is just crap on cornflakes...
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