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Old 07.11.2011, 20:54
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every edible type has a poisonous counterpart lookalike!
Total nonsense.

Coprinus have no poisonous look-a-likes, but must be picked and used immediately, or frozen.

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Old 07.11.2011, 21:52
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I was a vegetarian for around ten years and a vegan for a couple of those. Worst decision I ever made. I did it in an informed way but still ended up terribly anemic and B12 deficient.
Just to balance it out. My wife's experience has been the opposite. There are too many variables and I don't know what kind of diet you were eating in those 10 years. Either way eat whatever makes you happy and healthy.

Also there are many genetic medical conditions where iron absorption is a problem so no amount of meat eating or vegetable eating will ever fix that.

Anyway here is a good read for vegetarians about iron.
http://www.vrg.org/nutrition/iron.htm
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Old 07.11.2011, 22:11
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I.e. research that backs up your point of view?
My point of view was formed as a result of my own research and observation of what I saw all around me. I was a big meat eater 10 years ago. Anyway the least you can do is watch the documentary I mentioned earlier- http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1567233/

You probably are stuck in your ways but you might get a better understanding of my POV. Either way a nice juicy apple is calling me so sleep well.

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Well, I think it's great you're supportive of this and helping her with it. I was looking at a bar of 70% chocolate tonight...no dairy, but may contain traces of soy lecithin..she may need to read the labels very carefully.
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Old 08.11.2011, 00:53
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You are now live at the MacGregor's dinner table. They are having Irish Stew, no meat for the vegetarian.

Mom: How about I'll make this nice vegetable soup your grandma used to make?

MG's SIL looks indifferent and doesn't reply.

Son: Oh really, you don't have to.


So much for vegetable soup
How about "mommy cooked soup, say thank you and eat it, and it's even vegan".

Hmmmm....Darlings. Aren't they greatful you cook at all? How many people don't cook nada, I guess people wouldn't know.

The decision to be vegan has to really come with the realization how much time in the kitchen/healthfood store/groceries/garden will one spend, there is no way around it..It takes a little bit to get used to, but then you automatize stuff. I basically learned how to cook that way, plus watching/helping mom when small.

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Old 08.11.2011, 00:58
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Dietary wise she would need a supplement to replace something found only in animal products. (I have forgotten what it is!)
Vitamin B12 - crucial for the development of the nervous system and red blood cells. Can cause life-long damage if you ignore the warning signs, so it should not be taken lightly| It is possible to eat vegan but certainly not easy. Especially the developing body of teenagers requires quite a few minerals, trace-elements and fatty-acids which are hard to get from vegetable proteins alone.

Things to look out for and potentially take suplements:

Vitamin B12
Iron
Omega 3 and Omega 6 fatty-acids
iodine
choline
iron
calcium

Might be worth speaking to a nutritionist if she's serious about it. In fact quite certainly is worth it...
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Old 08.11.2011, 07:22
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Also there are many genetic medical conditions where iron absorption is a problem so no amount of meat eating or vegetable eating will ever fix that.
Sure, but these commonly show their face sooner rather than later. It's not often someone just coincidentally shows symptoms of iron deficiency after becoming a vegetarian. If you're going the way of B12 and the intrinsic factor, again you'll see signs and symptoms whilst you're a meat-eater.
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Old 08.11.2011, 08:26
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I would keep away from those protein shakes. Eat whole foods not powder stuff. Too much protein in the diet can also cause calcium loss. One would have to have a really unhealthy diet to get protein deficiency.
True, if you live from nothing but, however the occasional Protein shake can not harm, will do good and tastes great.
Also they give you a feeling of being "full" that lasts a long time, well like I say "it works for me"
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True, if you live from nothing but, however the occasional Protein shake can not harm, will do good and tastes great.
Also they give you a feeling of being "full" that lasts a long time, well like I say "it works for me"

What protein shakes do you have?
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Old 08.11.2011, 14:02
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Re: Vegan advice

YAY Redbull is suitable for Vegans !!! (In the FAQ's)

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IS RED BULLŪ ENERGY DRINK GLUTEN FREE, VEGAN, WHEAT FREE AND DAIRY FREE?
Yes, Red BullŪ Energy Drink is gluten free, vegan, wheat free and dairy free!


DOUBLE YAY !!!!
Redbull is not made from Bulls testicles !!!

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IS TAURINE MADE FROM BULLS' TESTICLES? IS TAURINE A DERIVATIVE OF BULLS' TESTICLES OR SEMEN?
The taurine in Red BullŪ Energy Drink is a purely synthetic substance produced by pharmaceutical companies and is not derived from animals or animal materials.
All ingredients for Red BullŪ Energy Drink are synthetically produced by pharmaceutical companies. This guarantees the highest quality.
Taurine is essentially part of the Vitamin B group


(FYI - I'm not seriously implying that Vegans should drink Redbull....... I just saw this and found it funny, so I thought I'd post it)

((Incidently, the average intake of taurine is between 40-400mg/day, Energy drinks have around 1000-2000mg. A study has found no adverse effects with Taurine suppliements as high as 1000mg/kg or body weight))

((( Cat's can't produce Taurine, and will go blind if they don't get it...... I didn't know that)))

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Old 08.11.2011, 14:05
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My daughter has been a vegetarian for quite some time and she's about to beome vegan. This will affect the eating habits of the whole family since I cannot cook a completely vegan meal for her alone, fry steaks for the boys and cook something for myself.

My question is, what exactly does/can a vegan eat and what is an absolute no-go? When I think about it it seems all that's left is salads, vegetables and such, not even chocolate or cakes or cookies (there is milk in them).

Maybe those of you who eat vegan or know more about it might be able to give me some ideas?

Thanks in advance
I can't give advice re. vegan food, but please make sure she knows that her metabolism won't change as to make her perspiration completely non-smelly and she still has to shower!

Sorry, I couldn't resist as I am currently reading Steve Jobs' biography and about him becoming a vegan (funny episode), so maybe it's a good sign your daughter is about to that, too.
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Old 09.11.2011, 09:49
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Here is my go-to recipe for vegan visitors. I make it with the spices as explained in the first review, rather than those in the recipe itself.

http://allrecipes.com/recipe/morocca...up/detail.aspx

That said, I also agree that your daughter needs to do the work (research healthy recipes) to become a vegan. (and that is coming from someone who has been mostly vegetarian for the last 20 years).
I'll definitely try this soup, I guess I can leave out the kidney beans? Or maybe I'll purree them all and she won't notice
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Old 10.11.2011, 16:25
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Re: Vegan advice

Hi,

Great thread. We have vegan friends here and they seem to be coping ok, as does their three-year-old who has never eaten an animal-derived product in his life. I believe they buy a lot of stuff at the Reformhaus shops, perhaps you could try asking for advice there if there are things you can't get answers to here.

I think they also use linseeds as a source of B12, but maybe I'm confusing it with something else. Omega acids maybe.

The ratio for replacing egg with mashed banana in cakes is 1 banana = 2 eggs. Mash the banana really well unless you like brownish lumps! I think the apple sauce ration is 1/4 cup of apple sauce = 1 egg, but I always use over-ripe banana myself - you can taste it a bit though, depending on the cake. You can make pretty much any cake/cookie recipe by substituting banana (and rice milk for milk - available in both Migros and Coop). Banana bread is particularly nice with the substitution. My vegan friends also replace milk with water if it's only a very small amount of milk.
I should clarify this only works if the egg is intended to bind. Banana is not a good raising agent! But I guess you could just add more baking soda instead.

If she wants to be 100% vegan she should also be checking the E-numbers on the back of packets, as some of them are animal derived, and of course only buying organic stuff - no pesticides. You can find lists of which E-numbers are ok online (to be honest if it was my daughter, I would not be telling her about this because shopping gets really slow if you have to check every packet! )

For the kidney beans, try replacing them with borlotti ones. I don't know how the nutritional aspect pans out though. We like them much better than kidney ones. Those really fat butter beans are good too (but my husband hates them). If I need kidney beans in a recipe I puree them completely, and just replace with something else if they have to stay whole.

I have a nice vegetarian recipe for lentil bolognaise sauce, which even my husband (who loathes lentils) will eat. I think it's probably vegan too, but haven't actually checked. I can PM it to you if you need one.

Calcium you can get from leafy greens, and I think the rice milk from Migros is fortified with it too. Oh and most of the vegetable stock here isn't vegan (or it wasn't when I last looked anyway). There's one you can get from Spar, in a white pot, which is.

Good luck! I liked the idea of letting your daughter do some of the cooking, and the shopping too.
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Old 10.11.2011, 16:31
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I like baking, and may try those banana/apple as a replacement for egg. That way I can leave the eggs for frying...

btw - serious question. How do vegans feel about yeast?
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Old 10.11.2011, 18:32
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Re: Vegan advice

If you speak German you might be interested in a three-part series the Tages Anzeiger has been running since Tuesday. It's about children who suffer malnutrition because their parents made them become vegans and won't give them B-12 supplements.....(their words, not mine).

Today a vegan family were in the paper telling everyone how it's possible to cut out all animal products and stay healthy
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A good friend of mine has become lactose intolerant, ie an unhappy vegan. She can eat cheese as the process changes the lactose, but any "vegetarian" meals in restaurants often contain chicken stock, and then she is ill afterwards.

If your daughter cannot, or will not, eat any animal or soy products she definitely needs to see a dietary specialist, as at 16 she has not yet finished growing.
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Old 10.11.2011, 23:45
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It is almost impossible to have an animal-free lifestyle. Animal products are used in almost everything. Somethings surprised me: fabric conditioner, hairspray, lipstick and even books!
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Re: Vegan advice

Books? Wow, didn't know that. I could never be a vegan... no cheese and no books, I would go mad!

But you can cut out a lot of the other stuff you mentioned. It is expensive though (especially here!) Vaccinations are the worst thing, in my view, because as far as I know there are no vegan options at all. (Other than not vaccinating your child, but let's not start on that!)

@NotAllThere, my friends make their own bread and have never protested at mine or asked whether it had yeast in it. And they are pretty strict with the E-numbers and that. So I guess it's ok.
Oooh fried eggs. I think it's lunchtime...
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Books? Wow, didn't know that. I could never be a vegan... no cheese and no books, I would go mad!
You eat books? You mean other way than..figuratively speaking?
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Re: Vegan advice

I found this thread through the "what did you eat tonight" thread.

We had Lebanese mezze for dinner tonight. One dish was tzatziki which uses yogurt, so no go for your daughter. But the others, hummus, baba ghanoush & tabboule served with Lebanese bread are all vegan.
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