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yep, but man do they tastes different... I grew it all year long in Seattle, (kale) that is... I've been looking too. thanks to all for the helpful posts!
Do they? I only really eat Portuguese kale (couve) which I think is the same. There are various types of kale I'm sure. But for me kale/couve/collards are all the same.

I guess it's like there are different varieties of cabbage, too.
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Re: Looking for kale (the vegetable)

To me, Grünkohl is the German name, Federkohl the Swiss name in German. In some places in northern Germany, they even call it Braunkohl.
In French, chou vert frisé is definitely the same plant.
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Do they? I only really eat Portuguese kale (couve) which I think is the same. There are various types of kale I'm sure. But for me kale/couve/collards are all the same.

I guess it's like there are different varieties of cabbage, too.
the first year we grew this one, (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kale) I didn't like it much... the next year we grew a mix of seeds and a less curly and tough leaf, was in the bunch, and then we just collected the seeds and grew it every year.

For me mustard greens and collard greens are very similar in flavor.

we like the red winter and the red russian http://www.burpee.com/vegetables/kale/

http://www.seedsavers.org/Details.aspx?itemNo=625(OG)
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Re: Looking for kale (the vegetable)

Ah. I've never cooked the frizzy kind. It's a bit like the Tuscan kale.

What you'll find in the Portuguese stores are these two kinds.
http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Couve-galega
http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ficheiro:Tronchuda.JPG
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Ah. I've never cooked the frizzy kind. It's a bit like the Tuscan kale.

What you'll find in the Portuguese stores are these two kinds.
http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Couve-galega

http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ficheiro:Tronchuda.JPG

This one looks like my brother in law grows up in Urmein, just above Thusis.
I tasted it last week when I was looking at his garden. Lovely tasting.
I guess they make something with Spätzle dough, that's like Pitzokels which is also made with Spätzle dough.
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Re: Looking for kale (the vegetable)

As a public service announcement for all the kale fans, I saw the first of the season today at the market in Bottmingen (BL). Both green and purple varieties.
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Re: Looking for kale (the vegetable)

Has anyone located this in Basel or over the borders? Where are the Portuguese shops in Basel?
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Has anyone located this in Basel or over the borders? Where are the Portuguese shops in Basel?
Errm... posts 4, 9 and 13 of this very thread are about where to find kale in Basel

And post 18 tells you why you probably won't find much at this time of year (well, none worth eating anyway).

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Re: Looking for kale (the vegetable)

Well, probably a little bit late, but you can get frozen sliced kale in Portuguese shops. It's usually used to make "Caldo Verde", as already mentioned in several posts.

Here in Zurich, I've found in Opfikon/Glattbrugg in "Casa Douro" and in Carmelo's Fleichmarkt in the Zurich at Herdernstr. 61, 8004 Zürich (inside the slaughter house).
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Re: Looking for kale (the vegetable)

I have a lot of kale plants in my balcony can give you some if you want
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According to wiki they are both the same. Anyway, collard greens are in the kale family.
Wiki is wrong, or you misunderstood. They are not the same, they are different varieties of the same species, brassica oleracea... This species has given us, after being selectively bred from a wild mustard plant (member of the Cruciferae family) over thousands of years, all of the following seemingly different veggies:

Kale
Collards
Cabbage
Kohlrabi
Broccoli
Cauliflower
Brussel Sprouts
Savoy
Kai-lan
Sprouting broccoli

It is like having a dwarf, a black guy, an asian woman, a pygmy, and an amazonian sitting at your dinner table. All homo sapiens, but nowhere near the same. Bok choi, Tat soi, mizuna, and broccoli rabe are closely related, all varieties of brassica rapa...

anyway, what a great species....
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Re: Looking for kale (the vegetable)

As this year's public service announcement, the first kale of the season is in the markets now (Bottmingen and Basel). Both green and purple varieties.

BTW when I moved to Switzerland, I never imagined for a moment that kale would become one of my specialist subjects
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Re: Looking for kale (the vegetable)


My friend and Neighbor from Seattle, who is visiting this week, brought a package of Kale seeds... so next year, I plant my own

yeeeeehhhhhaaaawwww!!!!

also a 500 count of Tylenol and Motrin
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My friend and Neighbor from Seattle, who is visiting this week, brought a package of Kale seeds... so next year, I plant my own

yeeeeehhhhhaaaawwww!!!!

also a 500 count of Tylenol and Motrin
Can I already put in the order?
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Can I already put in the order?
might have to wait till next year... gotta see how well it grows in my B.I.L.'s garden at 1,264 m ... I'm use to planting it in summer and eating it in winter and spring in Seattle... maybe my S.I.L. will let me plant in her garden at 625 m... that and spaghetti squash.... in any case I will be letting a plant or two go to seed that strikes my fancy (it's a variety pack)
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Does anyone know where I could find this in Basel - or in any nearby locations?

I believe in German it is called grünkohl, and in French it is chou fris.

Thanks very much for any assistance!
In French, it's chou frisé and it's in Géant in Saint-Louis, also LeClerc, most markets. Just saw it at Coop in Allschwil today.
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Re: Looking for kale (the vegetable)

has anyone come across any kale around the horgen lakeside area?
thanks in advance for the info
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Re: Looking for kale (the vegetable)

It is a bit early to buy kale, imo. You should wait until the first night of frost and buy kale harvested afterwards. The cold temperatures makes the plant produce sugars as antifreeze and it improves the taste a lot!

(now if only I could find a proper dutch smoked saucage to go with it...)
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It is a bit early to buy kale, imo. You should wait until the first night of frost and buy kale harvested afterwards. The cold temperatures makes the plant produce sugars as antifreeze and it improves the taste a lot!

(now if only I could find a proper dutch smoked saucage to go with it...)
Agreed, tastes better after it gets cold. However, we've been growing and eating it all summer and its always delicious no matter the season. It will easily grow at 1,200 meters, liking the cold. You can harvest through the winter if you have it protected in a cold frame.

-another kale addict, 3 square meters kale in garden
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Wiki is wrong, or you misunderstood. They are not the same, they are different varieties of the same species, brassica oleracea... This species has given us, after being selectively bred from a wild mustard plant (member of the Cruciferae family) over thousands of years, all of the following seemingly different veggies:

Kale
Collards
Cabbage
Kohlrabi
Broccoli
Cauliflower
Brussel Sprouts
Savoy
Kai-lan
Sprouting broccoli

It is like having a dwarf, a black guy, an asian woman, a pygmy, and an amazonian sitting at your dinner table. All homo sapiens, but nowhere near the same. Bok choi, Tat soi, mizuna, and broccoli rabe are closely related, all varieties of brassica rapa...

anyway, what a great species....
LOL

I just saw this now. I guess I got bored with kales last year.

Of course if you cooked a dwarf, a black guy, an asian woman, a pygmy, and an amazonian, they would all take the same.

I still call them all kales. I do hope people have been able to find the various brassica species they require.
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