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Old 26.01.2012, 16:08
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Not according to the local farmers.
Yeah, but they're always the biggest whiners whereever you go.
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Old 26.01.2012, 16:26
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Not particularly? We buy fruit on almost every trip.

Admittedly, we are on an economy drive post-move-to-CH, so no doubt our expenses will grow as our desposable income Also family member 3 is only 2 years old...

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- Use Aldi's or Lidl's
- In Coop/Migros, use own brand for 'non-priority' foods.
- No booze!
- Bio stuff is a rip off; basic or own brand meat = ok
- own brand nappies are way cheaper
- Cut out the sugary stuff; replace with pastries or biscuits instead
- Sausages/cured meat is cheaper than fresh
- (gym Bunnies look away now) Lots of filler carbs; Pasta, potatoes etc
- Buy local produce - cheese, milk, bread etc
- Use a shopping list. Don't "graze", and don't shop on an empty stomach
- Buy in bulk where possible (10x litre cartons of UHT milk), and trawl the bargain bins.
This is what I have found:

- Use Aldi's or Lidl's

Their fruit and vegetables, on the whole, are old and/or tasteless. I wonder whether they have any nutritional value. It's like buying fruit and veg at Tesco

- In Coop/Migros, use own brand for 'non-priority' foods.

- No booze!

I wasn't including that in what I spent

- Bio stuff is a rip off;

Can be.

basic or own brand meat = ok

Branded meat?- that's a new one on me.

I try and buy Natura-farm or Bio and mainly Swiss.

- own brand nappies are way cheaper

Agreed

- Cut out the sugary stuff; replace with pastries or biscuits instead

I never buy cakes and biscuits

- Sausages/cured meat is cheaper than fresh

But not healthy - especially for children. Which was my point.

- (gym Bunnies look away now) Lots of filler carbs; Pasta, potatoes etc

Agreed
- Buy local produce - cheese, milk, bread etc

Agreed

- Use a shopping list. Don't "graze", and don't shop on an empty stomach

We always use a list - I want to spend as little time shopping as possible.

- Buy in bulk where possible (10x litre cartons of UHT milk), and trawl the bargain bins

UHT milk? Why?
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Old 26.01.2012, 16:42
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Actually there are two Denners in Horgen, within a 70m or so radius (one in the Migros complex, one across the road). I never got the point of that.
I don't know if that's the case in Horgen but in some places such weird setups exist since the takeover of Pick Pay by Denner in 2005.

E.g. in Zurich there's one Denner store right off Limmatplatz and a second one at about 150m distance on Josefstrasse. The Josefstrasse location was originally a Pick Pay store.

Pick Pay was a chain of stores offering a wider range than Denner at somewhat higher prices (but still lower than Coop). They offered brand name products only (no store brands at all), carried a vast range of beer, wine and spirits and were usually found near a Migros store to complement the Migros range with its lack of alcohol and well known brands.
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Old 26.01.2012, 16:58
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Switzerland isn't THAT expensive, yeah there are things that are ridiculously priced (meat and rent), but in general it's not that much more than other countries, such as Australia!
I won't buy clothes here either. But aside from price that also has to do with the fact that the Swiss retail market is sized to clothe mountain midgets, not Nordic giants.




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Re: grocery bill

I still buy water and most non alcoholic drinks (when on sale) here (no pfand), but after i bought skiis last weekend in germany i realized i buy just about anything else in germany

....except quality shower heads. Those I buy in Serbia. The serbs are fanatic about their showers


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Re: grocery bill

According to economists, market participants aim to maximise profits. To do this, they also seek to minimise costs. Not just input prices either. All those firms (that you all no doubt work for) who have headquarters in low tax jurisdictions are prime examples of this.

So if you do drive to Germany, factor in the input costs (time/opportunity cost, petrol etc) and it works out cheaper, then guess what?

Yep, you are just being a homo economicus. Good for you.
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- No booze!
Some interesting tips, but I can't get my head round that one - don't think I could live in a place (again) where I cannot have a beer after work... Gotta have a few beers in the fridge I reckon.

Actually I don't find alcohol particularly expensive here. Although thinking about it, for the last few months I've been buying imported German beer (Konigsbacher @ 55 rappen a can from Denner was great whilst it lasted; otherwise Loewenbraue or Bitburger at 1 to 1.25 CHF a can from Denner/Coop is still good) rather then buying Swiss
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Re: grocery bill

We mostly do all our shopping at Coop because it is (or was) most convenient. At the weekend, I spotted an Aldi just down the road from where we shop so we might try that this Saturday.

Our grocery bill, for two, is about CHF150 per week but I cook everything fresh and we have some kind of meat almost every day, which bumps it up (made Irish stew yesterday and the lamb for that was CHF20 ).

It's expensive but the way I see it is: I earn here, I spend here.

No way can I be bothered taking a train to another country every week for groceries.
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No way can I be bothered taking a train to another country every week for groceries.

If I was in Zirich then I would have the same mindset, as i am 5 mins from french and german borders, the majority of our shopping is done there... ill be trying a new place due to the tip from KeinFranzösisch
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Re: grocery bill

I do a fair amount of criss border shopping for a number if reasobs, price being one of them. I don't feel bad about this because so many of the multinational firms in this part if CH make their profits from the rest of the world, in our individual case, the German market contributes massively to the firms turnover, so I'm just giving some back when I go to Kaufland or where ever. If you really want to support the swiss producer, buy direct fron the farm (unpasteurised milk, yummy)
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Old 31.01.2012, 01:48
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Re: grocery bill

Hello,

Family of 5 here, kids 7, 4, 2. Including diapers for 1 and normal household stuff, between 1100 and 1300. That includes the nanny, but as my wife works and nanny does not stay on the weekends, I would say it averages to the same before she came. Quite precise as we track all expenses in detail.

We shop all locally. LeShop (internet, so a bit more expensive) for bulk items and 2 large purchases per month, Migros and local Coop for in-between (things we run out off between the large purchases, forget, or just things we'd like in some evening, etc). Aldi for some items which we like there. Meat, we don't buy much real 'meat', rather large amounts (kids...) of shredded meat (is that the correct term) at Aldi (wife likes that more than Migros, cheaper than Coop), frozen chicken and cold meats from LeShop.

LeShop is something we do as we both work and we rather keep the weekends to be with the kids instead of going grocery shopping (boooring). It does add to the cost although we haven't calculated how much.

Anyway, we don't eat luxuriously but also feel we could save a bit if we wanted, as we do partake in some things we didn't before when we had less money. So I think this is a good guideline for a family like ours, could be less (maybe 900, even less) if very careful, and upwards... as much as you want.

Especially the meat, as many mention.
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Re: grocery bill

Ouch...I think I am around the 80-90 CHF per week mark, which, for a partially vegetarian household of two, who however consume one meal almost always outside of the house, still seems pretty much. What I am far more concerned about, however, is the waste: we both travel and work so much that I always find myself with a half liter of milk to throw away, or two eggs which are too old to use. That I find really irritating.
(I guess everything being so expensive made me sound like my grandma .)

I still buy detergents and bodywash, etc. in Germany. Having a GA, the price and selection make the trip more than worth it.
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i only wish i earned 200k chf... I live very comfortably on less than half that!!!! i spend around 80-100chf a week on food... I usually always have money left to pay overseas debt, as well as normal debt... I own a car, and even after all the compulsory insurances, petrol, rent (not a stingy one room place), Gym Membership, Bills, taxes etc, i still end up up... Where does all your money go people?? Switzerland isn't THAT expensive, yeah there are things that are ridiculously priced (meat and rent), but in general it's not that much more than other countries, such as Australia!
I am looking at these budgets and wondering what these people are eating. We are spending on average $100 per person in Sydney, eating meat two times a week and fish once. There is Aldi here but nobody bothers because of poor quality and selections. What do you think is a minimum for a family of four excluding rent? (family of four requires around a thousand a week to live comfortably in Sydney, excluding rent/mortgage)
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I am looking at these budgets and wondering what these people are eating. We are spending on average $100 per person in Sydney, eating meat two times a week and fish once. There is Aldi here but nobody bothers because of poor quality and selections. What do you think is a minimum for a family of four excluding rent? (family of four requires around a thousand a week to live comfortably in Sydney, excluding rent/mortgage)
Apples and pears. I'm sure families in Lagos don't spend as much as those in Zürich, either.
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1) As said by someone else, "going to france or germany" implies driving (= additional cost)
BIcycle, plus back pack, or panniers - it's a great outing for a regualr Saturday morning: go to the fresh vegetable market in St Loius, then to Geant supermarket ( with a stop for coffee and tart de la jour, in between.)

Kids too? If old enough, they have their own bikes ( easy 15 minute bike ride) or buy a "velohanger" for them ( and the groceries) and tow themVery common to use those around Basel and surroundings.
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Re: grocery bill

It took us a year to be able to fill a small shopping trolley from Denner for under 100chf.

We are a family of 5. The kids eat a lot more now than they did three years when we first arrived, and I do a heap more home cooking...

Our general household 'budget' is about 1200chf a month for food, basic toiletries, including paper products, washing powder etc.

Assume that everything is going to cost about 30% more than it does in Sydney. Taxes are lower, but if your income is 30% more than Sydney, you should do OK.

Oh, and we always ran one basic car in Sydney (and borrowed another one from family if needed) - here we've lived without a car for 3.5 years....and we're a lot healthier and fitter!
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There is Aldi (in Sydney) but nobody bothers because of poor quality and selections.
I'm also in the anti-Aldi camp. I really don't see the attraction, no matter how good the prices are.
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I'm also in the anti-Aldi camp. I really don't see the attraction, no matter how good the prices are.
Aldi here is a lot different from Aldi in the US. I was very anti-Aldi there, without going to Aldi here, we'd still be relying upon m-i-l for help with groceries at least one week a month.

Then again, my usual shop in the US was Target or Super Walmart, not any of the fancy grocers which would compare to Manor and Globus. The quality of what I got then vs now (and going to Aldi HERE) is pretty comparable.
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I'm also in the anti-Aldi camp. I really don't see the attraction, no matter how good the prices are.
Werther's Original Weiche Sahnetoffees.

(Can't get them in Migros, Coop, Volk or Spar. Round here, only found at Aldi.)

I wasn't an Aldi fan in the US, but one recently opened up in my neighborhood. Stopped by out of curiosity and lo and behold - something a little different than the same-old-same-old selection offered by Migroop. Novelty, at a decent price.

No, I'm not too thrilled with the produce/meat. But for bottled goods and non-perishibles - can't be beat. Save on that stuff, and you can afford to shop at the local butcher and farmer's market.
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Lagos is third world, Sydney and Zurich are similar (price wise)?
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