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Old 10.02.2012, 15:26
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Re: Betty Bossi: Have I lost the plot?

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I've got to disagree with you there. I can't help but groan if my wife gets that book out. Dull, dull, dull.

It may be real cooking but it's still dull.

My wife's copy is going to fall into the rubbish bins one of these days.
Use the Streuwürze-Index: Everytime you see this word count one up.

0: A good cook book
1: A good cook book if Streuwürze is preceeded by: nicht, nie, nimmer, keine, niemals, auf keinen Fall.
1 - 5: Throw the book away.
All other cases: Burn the book. NOW.

I bet Joël Robuchon would rather kill himself then use Aromat.

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Old 10.02.2012, 15:52
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use the streuwürze-index: Everytime you see this word count one up.

0: A good cock book
1: A good cock book if streuwürze is preceeded by: Nicht, nie, nimmer, keine, niemals, auf keinen fall.
1 - 5: Throw the book away.
All other cases: Burn the book. Now.

I bet joël robuchon would rather kill himself then use aromat.
nsfw! Nsfw!
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I think it is like an Ark of the Covenant thing - a precious article passed from mother to daughter that nobody yet realises is dead!
You've kind of hit the nail on the head.


I've got a bit of an insider view as I've worked for them a lot over the past 5 years as a freelancer.

They are a very odd company that has enjoyed a near monopoly on home cooking until really quite recently.
They are in somewhat of a state at the moment - you get the impression that they are a startled rabbit staring into the headlights of an oncoming juggernaut that contains the crisis in traditional print media, a wealth of "foreign" competition, a far more worldly younger generation & a core readership that is literally dying off.

There's some good people working there who I like personally, but collectively they are very out of touch & can be infuriating to work for as a result & they are not good listeners either.

That said, they sell mind boggling amounts of all that kitchen crap they advertise, which is made by one partner company.

Oh, and BB is 50% owned by Coop, in answer to someone else.
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Old 10.02.2012, 16:05
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Never trust a cook book that say "get packet X, Y and Z and mix them all together".
AFAIK that's mostly the case with the newer ones that have been published since Betty Bossy was taken over by Coop. My mother once complained about it.

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None of the Betty Bossi recipes I've used say such a thing, all use basic ingredients.
Maybe your books are older?
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AFAIK that's mostly the case with the never ones that have been published since Betty Bossy was taken over by Coop. My mother once complained about it.


Maybe your books are older?
Probably all '80s, early '90s.

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Old 10.02.2012, 16:50
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Re: Betty Bossi: Have I lost the plot?

I have just old BB books. I really like the Cookie-Book and the one about bread baking (even if I only use it for the Zopf).

I was once a candidate in the BB/coop/whatever show "al dente" and got a new book which I don't really like a lot but don't find as despicable as some people in this thread.

Regarding TipTopf -this is cooking for survival only. I got the book in cooking class and find it very bland. That doesn't mean that I don't use it, however, I have never cooked anything out of that book without changing the recipe at least a bit.

So what to recommend instead of BB or Tiptopf? If it has to be Swiss, I quite like Annemarie Wildeisen's Kochen magazine. I got a subscribtion for it for my birthday last spring. The best thing about it is that it's very seasonal.

If it doesn't have to be Swiss: I love RealSimple recipes. In Texas I used many of the recipes in there.
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Old 10.02.2012, 17:06
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Great thread!

No I cannot understand the success - they are very old-fashioned recipes and I don't like the thick flour based sauces and over-reliance on kohlrabi

I think it is like an Ark of the Covenant thing - a precious article passed from mother to daughter that nobody yet realises is dead!
Even her new style recipes are not the best.

I agree with you. She is around still because no one actually follows the recipes but it gets passed down the generations and people like to have the books around. It's comfortingly retro.

I found the same exact thing when we were in Argentina with Dona Petrona. It's the Betty Bossi equivalent. The Argentines love her books. But they are just awful.
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Regarding TipTopf -this is cooking for survival only. I got the book in cooking class and find it very bland. That doesn't mean that I don't use it, however, I have never cooked anything out of that book without changing the recipe at least a bit.
Regarding TipTopf you have to bear in mind, that it is a school book, designed for the Swiss cooking lessons. Thus it focuses in large parts on basic cooking techniques and application of these.

Regarding recipes. The older version of TipTopf actually contained a recipe for Coq au Vin, but this was removed in the newer version, and replaced by more "modern" dishes, as they say in the foreword of the new edition. (their argument is that today nobody would want to cook dishes that took so long to prepare anyway).
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Old 10.02.2012, 17:19
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So what to recommend instead of BB or Tiptopf? If it has to be Swiss, I quite like Annemarie Wildeisen's Kochen magazine. I got a subscribtion for it for my birthday last spring. The best thing about it is that it's very seasonal.
Marianne Kaltenbach.
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Kathrin Rüegg, think of her as Swiss version of Julia Child.
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Old 10.02.2012, 17:24
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....That said, they sell mind boggling amounts of all that kitchen crap they advertise, which is made by one partner company...
Another thing that drives me up the wall. Some of the kitchen items they advertise are quite nice in terms of concept, but in execution - appalling. Two examples: I bought the BB long arm kitchen gloves with fingers (instead of a mitt), the fit is great but the first time I used them to take a roasting pan out of the oven - I felt the heat coming through the material after a few seconds and after about 30 seconds or so, I had to plonk the roasting pan down on the couinter as too much heat was coming through the glove for me to continue to hold the pan. I now use a pair of long armed oven mitts from Nisbets (pro supplies), clumsy, but very protective!

The other example is a combined cheese grater/holder, in concept great, in execution... suffice to say that the three tiny metal bumps are all that hold the metal grating plate in place on the body of the device and the grate is in turn held in place by a plastic ring/cap which only has two or three turns of thread to keep the ring in place, add relatively non robust plastic to the mix and you have a "programmed to fail" device. As it has such poor securing, it's almost impossible to grate anything but mildly hard cheese without the device coming apart in use ( and the plastic on the ring has already split, to boot). And it wasn't cheap.

Both of which annoyed me as with better materials and a little more thought they'd be great products.
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Re: Betty Bossi: Have I lost the plot?

I know..I tried their Zopf recipe and had to modify extensively it was way too dry, I mean way...
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When I moved to Switzerland (30+ years ago) several swiss friends recommended buying Betty Bossi books to get help me get used to the local cuisine. Having had a quick look at examples of her books I ignored that advice and have never regretted it. As a more than competent cook I thought they were old fashioned, stodgy rubbish.... especially compared to Gary Rhodes, Paul Rankin and Raymond Blanc (all very popular in the UK at the time).
I've always been surprised by BB's popularity and noticed the other day that my daughter-in-law has just bought one of her books. Fortunately my son does most of the cooking in their house and he thinks BB is rubbish as well!
Just for your info, it is NOT "her" book, but "their" book, as Betty Bossi is NOT a lady but a team in that company . They are based near the Bhf Zürich-Enge.
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Re: Betty Bossi: Have I lost the plot?

Did you have to spoil my fun? I love seeing people believe that Betty Bossy is actually a person

By the way: Anna from Anna's best (Migros convenience stuff) actually exists
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One good word for BB: I have tried many of their Christmas cookie recipes, and they worked fine... no clue about the rest :-)
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Re: Betty Bossi: Have I lost the plot?

I told my husband (he's Swiss) about this thread last night and he was offended. He was very defensive about Betty Bossi, he said "I think those cookbooks are really good, I like them". This is right after he discussed his love of a "curry chicken" sandwich at Manor, that makes me want to vomit. Yellow mayo curry with pineapple. His Swiss mother swears by the Betty Bossi cookbooks. She's bought me a few that I've read through but never made anything and probably never will.
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A group of graduates at the Obwalden Farmer's Wife school.
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Re: Betty Bossi: Have I lost the plot?

My mother in law here en Suisse is a Betty Bossi disciple and a fantastic cook (Her father is a chef)...She has all the Bossi gear as well as books - she's quite complimentary of them...Personally, just about anything she's made I've found phenomenal so I can't really say anything negative about BB

We recently bought their Asian recipes cookbook, as well, for ourselves...Top stuff really

Wait until you hear about Thermomix
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Probably all '80s, early '90s.

Tom
OK, just checked, I have four, from 88, 88, 89, and 90, so don't know what the new ones are like.

Tom
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Re: Betty Bossi: Have I lost the plot?

Not all of them are "Farmers' Wives". I think "Country Women's (Association)" is a more accurate traslation of "Landfrauen(verband)".
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Kloster Fahr ist the most famous Bäuerinnenschule.

http://www.kloster-fahr.ch/Schule/schule_start.html
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