Go Back   English Forum Switzerland > Help & tips > Food and drink  
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 27.05.2012, 21:49
jerallie's Avatar
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Goldiwil
Posts: 615
Groaned at 53 Times in 23 Posts
Thanked 523 Times in 179 Posts
jerallie has a reputation beyond reputejerallie has a reputation beyond reputejerallie has a reputation beyond reputejerallie has a reputation beyond repute
The food is here, just not for sale!!

I was struggling on how exactly to title this post. It started because today my wife and I went to an event in Belp (near Bern) put on each year by the Japanses community in the area. It is open to anyone and you come and buy all kinds of Japanese foods made by local Japenese families. Amazing food. The Thai consulate does a similar thing in June in the area and the US Embassy has one around or on July 4th. At our school, we have an international day where all our families bring food from their countries and people can sample. All of it amazing. Yet with the great Japanese food I ate today, I cannot find many, if any, good Japanese restaurants. We have many Greek families that make Greek food to die for, but I'll be damned if there is a good Greek restaurant around either. So obviously it isn't lack of ingredients and since all these event we have gone to are packed to the gills, it's not lack of interest. So my question is.....if there are ingredients, interest and people who can make all this food, why are there so few good retaurants serving all this kind of food?
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 27.05.2012, 21:54
Wallabies's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: Winterthur
Posts: 3,219
Groaned at 311 Times in 176 Posts
Thanked 3,314 Times in 1,577 Posts
Wallabies has a reputation beyond reputeWallabies has a reputation beyond reputeWallabies has a reputation beyond reputeWallabies has a reputation beyond repute
Re: The food is here, just not for sale!!

The answer is most likely demand, unless there is enough people willing to want such restaurants then they would be on a loss making exercise. A few expats doesnt make a business case
Reply With Quote
The following 3 users would like to thank Wallabies for this useful post:
  #3  
Old 27.05.2012, 21:57
Caviarchips's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Basel Stadt
Posts: 3,979
Groaned at 99 Times in 77 Posts
Thanked 6,677 Times in 2,388 Posts
Caviarchips has a reputation beyond reputeCaviarchips has a reputation beyond reputeCaviarchips has a reputation beyond reputeCaviarchips has a reputation beyond reputeCaviarchips has a reputation beyond reputeCaviarchips has a reputation beyond repute
Re: The food is here, just not for sale!!

Try harder
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank Caviarchips for this useful post:
  #4  
Old 27.05.2012, 22:02
Dark Blue's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Thalwil
Posts: 379
Groaned at 18 Times in 17 Posts
Thanked 411 Times in 242 Posts
Dark Blue has earned the respect of manyDark Blue has earned the respect of manyDark Blue has earned the respect of many
Re: The food is here, just not for sale!!

I don´t remember its name right now, but there is a nice Japanese restaurant in Basel close to Barfusserplatz.

Of course they don´t have the full variety but the food fairly nice.

Also there is one close to the Theather Tram stop, but that one is specialized in noodle soups.

I am quite new to Basel, maybe gurus can help more.
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 27.05.2012, 22:45
jerallie's Avatar
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Goldiwil
Posts: 615
Groaned at 53 Times in 23 Posts
Thanked 523 Times in 179 Posts
jerallie has a reputation beyond reputejerallie has a reputation beyond reputejerallie has a reputation beyond reputejerallie has a reputation beyond repute
Re: The food is here, just not for sale!!

Quote:
View Post
The answer is most likely demand, unless there is enough people willing to want such restaurants then they would be on a loss making exercise. A few expats doesnt make a business case
While there were expat Japanese families there, I would say that the majority were local Swiss families. I bet a Japanese retaurant in the small town of Belp would do well, let alone one in a larger city.
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 27.05.2012, 23:33
adrianlondon's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Basel
Posts: 9,131
Groaned at 170 Times in 153 Posts
Thanked 25,643 Times in 6,892 Posts
adrianlondon has a reputation beyond reputeadrianlondon has a reputation beyond reputeadrianlondon has a reputation beyond reputeadrianlondon has a reputation beyond reputeadrianlondon has a reputation beyond reputeadrianlondon has a reputation beyond repute
Re: The food is here, just not for sale!!

The problem could be simply that the Japanese you met have better paying jobs than they'd have if they quit and opened a restaurant.

I had a wonderful Vietnamese dish at a rather abortive attempt at a weekend "Asia town" in Gundeli (Basel). I asked why it's not possible to buy food of that quality and the guy who served me laughed and said he didn't want to quit his good job and open a restaurant, and that his wife was busy enough looking after the family!
Reply With Quote
The following 5 users would like to thank adrianlondon for this useful post:
  #7  
Old 27.05.2012, 23:35
SamWeiseVielleicht's Avatar
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Bern
Posts: 725
Groaned at 11 Times in 10 Posts
Thanked 893 Times in 397 Posts
SamWeiseVielleicht has a reputation beyond reputeSamWeiseVielleicht has a reputation beyond reputeSamWeiseVielleicht has a reputation beyond reputeSamWeiseVielleicht has a reputation beyond repute
Re: The food is here, just not for sale!!

Quote:
View Post
While there were expat Japanese families there, I would say that the majority were local Swiss families. I bet a Japanese retaurant in the small town of Belp would do well, let alone one in a larger city.
Mabe that is why there is a good one in Kehrsatz

Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank SamWeiseVielleicht for this useful post:
  #8  
Old 28.05.2012, 00:20
TheSpouse's Avatar
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Saussignac, France
Posts: 1,701
Groaned at 26 Times in 20 Posts
Thanked 2,937 Times in 929 Posts
TheSpouse has a reputation beyond reputeTheSpouse has a reputation beyond reputeTheSpouse has a reputation beyond reputeTheSpouse has a reputation beyond reputeTheSpouse has a reputation beyond reputeTheSpouse has a reputation beyond repute
Re: The food is here, just not for sale!!

If you ever venture down to Lausanne, we've got a great Japanese restaurant called Ichi Ban. It's in Ouchy about a block from the lake. The owner is Swiss but his wife is Japanese and various members of her family work there.

For the locals--they do take out in legit containers.
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 28.05.2012, 00:31
jerallie's Avatar
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Goldiwil
Posts: 615
Groaned at 53 Times in 23 Posts
Thanked 523 Times in 179 Posts
jerallie has a reputation beyond reputejerallie has a reputation beyond reputejerallie has a reputation beyond reputejerallie has a reputation beyond repute
Re: The food is here, just not for sale!!

Amazing that there is only one in a larger city like Lausanne. Are there regulations that make it super expensive to open a restaurant besides Italian and Swiss ones? There are plenty of those.
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 28.05.2012, 09:58
Caviarchips's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Basel Stadt
Posts: 3,979
Groaned at 99 Times in 77 Posts
Thanked 6,677 Times in 2,388 Posts
Caviarchips has a reputation beyond reputeCaviarchips has a reputation beyond reputeCaviarchips has a reputation beyond reputeCaviarchips has a reputation beyond reputeCaviarchips has a reputation beyond reputeCaviarchips has a reputation beyond repute
Re: The food is here, just not for sale!!

Quote:
View Post
Amazing that there is only one in a larger city like Lausanne. Are there regulations that make it super expensive to open a restaurant besides Italian and Swiss ones? There are plenty of those.
OK, now that I have more time than when I pointed out a great Japanese restaurant within 10 minutes drive of the tiny village of Belp, lets get to the bottom of this.

Firstly, you have posted about this before. Didn't you get the answer from last time, clearly not!

Secondly, lets look at the facts. There are 1.7 million people who are "non-Swiss" here. Assuming you don't want to eat in Italian, French, German or Serbian places, there are only 700 000 of other nationalities here, or 10 % of the population. Apply that to the populations of the four largest cities in Switzerland and you have 37,000 foreigners of the non-neighbouring countries in Zurich, and between 15-20,000 in each of Geneva, Bern and Basel. That's of all "novel" nationalities!

Thirdly, there are under 5000 Japanese people in the whole of Switzerland! How many restaurants do you think that population can sustain??!!

Bottom line is that the Swiss are relatively conservative eaters and the country as a whole, the small size of the main cities and the size of the non-Swiss population are not big enough to sustain significant international cuisine.

But - a further point (and given that I can almost see your village from where I'm sitting now), if you wanted a thriving international cuisine scene, and if is enough to be repeatedly whining about on here, why did you move to a village in the Bernese Oberland. If Zurich (in your opinion) doesn't have good enough eating, you thought that the Thun region would??!!

Having said that, I have had excellent and delicate Japanese food in Kehrsatz, good Indian in Interlaken and a couple of stunningly good Michelin starred meals in Bern itself. I suggest you realise the reality of the country you have moved to, stop trying to find strange reasons like the cost of opening a restaurant, and just make the most of what is around you
Reply With Quote
The following 4 users would like to thank Caviarchips for this useful post:
  #11  
Old 28.05.2012, 11:50
olygirl's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: d' Innerschwiiz
Posts: 7,618
Groaned at 416 Times in 279 Posts
Thanked 17,914 Times in 5,538 Posts
olygirl has a reputation beyond reputeolygirl has a reputation beyond reputeolygirl has a reputation beyond reputeolygirl has a reputation beyond reputeolygirl has a reputation beyond reputeolygirl has a reputation beyond repute
Re: The food is here, just not for sale!!

Ten years ago, we had no traffic lights or McDonald's nearby. Now there's a traffic light and a McDonald's within 300 meters of each other. WAAAHHH!

My personal thoughts on Jerallie:

I think he's lonely and just wants his voice to be heard. Not unlike many others on the forum....
Reply With Quote
The following 3 users would like to thank olygirl for this useful post:
  #12  
Old 28.05.2012, 19:54
jerallie's Avatar
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Goldiwil
Posts: 615
Groaned at 53 Times in 23 Posts
Thanked 523 Times in 179 Posts
jerallie has a reputation beyond reputejerallie has a reputation beyond reputejerallie has a reputation beyond reputejerallie has a reputation beyond repute
Re: The food is here, just not for sale!!

Quote:
View Post
OK, now that I have more time than when I pointed out a great Japanese restaurant within 10 minutes drive of the tiny village of Belp, lets get to the bottom of this.

Firstly, you have posted about this before. Didn't you get the answer from last time, clearly not!

Secondly, lets look at the facts. There are 1.7 million people who are "non-Swiss" here. Assuming you don't want to eat in Italian, French, German or Serbian places, there are only 700 000 of other nationalities here, or 10 % of the population. Apply that to the populations of the four largest cities in Switzerland and you have 37,000 foreigners of the non-neighbouring countries in Zurich, and between 15-20,000 in each of Geneva, Bern and Basel. That's of all "novel" nationalities!

Thirdly, there are under 5000 Japanese people in the whole of Switzerland! How many restaurants do you think that population can sustain??!!

Bottom line is that the Swiss are relatively conservative eaters and the country as a whole, the small size of the main cities and the size of the non-Swiss population are not big enough to sustain significant international cuisine.

But - a further point (and given that I can almost see your village from where I'm sitting now), if you wanted a thriving international cuisine scene, and if is enough to be repeatedly whining about on here, why did you move to a village in the Bernese Oberland. If Zurich (in your opinion) doesn't have good enough eating, you thought that the Thun region would??!!

Having said that, I have had excellent and delicate Japanese food in Kehrsatz, good Indian in Interlaken and a couple of stunningly good Michelin starred meals in Bern itself. I suggest you realise the reality of the country you have moved to, stop trying to find strange reasons like the cost of opening a restaurant, and just make the most of what is around you
Basically this post tells me that only Japanese people eat in Japanese restaurants? What a bunch of crap. You telling me only foreigners and expats eat international food (non Swiss food)? If this is truest is truly a f@&$ing sad day indeed. I grew up next to a town of less than 15 thousand, but had a plethora of Asian places to choose from. The population was over 90% white. Do you people really think that you walk into a Mexican restaurant and all you should see is Mexicans? What a sad, sheltered viewpoint. Conservative eaters my ass!! Xenophobic maybe. As far as living in the Berner Oberland goes. I live near my job, so not really my choice.
Reply With Quote
The following 2 users groan at jerallie for this post:
  #13  
Old 28.05.2012, 19:58
jerallie's Avatar
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Goldiwil
Posts: 615
Groaned at 53 Times in 23 Posts
Thanked 523 Times in 179 Posts
jerallie has a reputation beyond reputejerallie has a reputation beyond reputejerallie has a reputation beyond reputejerallie has a reputation beyond repute
Re: The food is here, just not for sale!!

Quote:
View Post
Ten years ago, we had no traffic lights or McDonald's nearby. Now there's a traffic light and a McDonald's within 300 meters of each other. WAAAHHH!

My personal thoughts on Jerallie:

I think he's lonely and just wants his voice to be heard. Not unlike many others on the forum....
Not lonely. I have a wonderful family and fanatic friends and coworkers. Im just hungry.....and no....I HATE COOKING....so yes. I miss eating out!!
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 28.05.2012, 20:03
olygirl's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: d' Innerschwiiz
Posts: 7,618
Groaned at 416 Times in 279 Posts
Thanked 17,914 Times in 5,538 Posts
olygirl has a reputation beyond reputeolygirl has a reputation beyond reputeolygirl has a reputation beyond reputeolygirl has a reputation beyond reputeolygirl has a reputation beyond reputeolygirl has a reputation beyond repute
Re: The food is here, just not for sale!!

Quote:
View Post
Basically this post tells me that only Japanese people eat in Japanese restaurants? What a bunch of crap. You telling me only foreigners and expats eat international food (non Swiss food)? If this is truest is truly a f@&$ing sad day indeed. I grew up next to a town of less than 15 thousand, but had a plethora of Asian places to choose from. The population was over 90% white. Do you people really think that you walk into a Mexican restaurant and all you should see is Mexicans? What a sad, sheltered viewpoint. Conservative eaters my ass!! Xenophobic maybe. As far as living in the Berner Oberland goes. I live near my job, so not really my choice.
So, you're not a Bratwurst and Cervelat man, are you? Maybe it's time you learn to cook the things you miss instead of whinging about them.
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 28.05.2012, 20:11
KeinFranzösisch's Avatar
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Washington, DC
Posts: 2,198
Groaned at 63 Times in 38 Posts
Thanked 2,549 Times in 1,115 Posts
KeinFranzösisch has a reputation beyond reputeKeinFranzösisch has a reputation beyond reputeKeinFranzösisch has a reputation beyond reputeKeinFranzösisch has a reputation beyond reputeKeinFranzösisch has a reputation beyond reputeKeinFranzösisch has a reputation beyond repute
Re: The food is here, just not for sale!!

Quote:
View Post
So, you're not a Bratwurst and Cervelat man, are you? Maybe it's time you learn to cook the things you miss instead of whinging about them.
I was in CH for a year before I relized Migros had an ingredient for something that I had missed (of course I dismissed it as immediately irrelevant because I no longer had an interest in the item). But still... if one seeks, ye shall find... and that was my lesson.
Reply With Quote
The following 2 users would like to thank KeinFranzösisch for this useful post:
  #16  
Old 28.05.2012, 20:13
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Re: The food is here, just not for sale!!

I was with you all the way with your last post - but the end was totally out of order. You've said it before, you would avoid visiting some of the Ueber Conservative areas in the US, so why choose to go to one of the same in CH??

There are some fantastic 'ethnic' restaurants in CH - but just like the US or the UK, or France, or practically anywhere- extremely conservative rural areas like the one you live in - do not. So as Olygirl says, learn to cook or travel to larger towns if you fancy some 'exotic' food. I know you live where your job is - but maybe a bit of research wouldn't have gone amiss before you accepted the job.

Switzerland is a small country, but very varied- some are very multicultural, with the ensuing restaurants, shops, etc. Some are not - your location isn't. Sure there are parts of the US which are less 'fancy' than where you come from. Your whinging is turning quite 'xenophobic' in its own way no?
Would I dream of moving to Alabama and complain I can't find a Fondue restaurant? Mind you I did find a Swiss restaurant in Sedona, which was a funny surprise. Didn't go though - some foods just don't 'fit' some places. I go to the UK a few times a year to get a great curry! 'Ethnic restaturant tend to follow the 'ethnic' mix the local area. Morroccan restaurants in France, Indian in the UK, Mexican in the US, Italian, Spanish and Portuguese in CH. etc. There are very few Japanese living in CH - so very few Japanese restaurants. Makes sense somehow.

Your move was YOUR choice, top of your list as you say - with all the + and a few -, c'est la vie.

PS - your visit to Grindelwald was in one of the busiest of the year. BTW the huge influx of Asian visitors is quite recent - ever since Bollywood movies started to be made here rather than the Asian mountains due to the war, and the restaurant trade has not yet had time to adapt. More Asian restaurants are opened regularly in large towns. In Grindelwald they would be busy only during the main holiday season and special holiday week-ends, and empty the rest of the time. Not a good business plan.

Last edited by Odile; 28.05.2012 at 21:28.
Reply With Quote
  #17  
Old 28.05.2012, 20:14
jerallie's Avatar
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Goldiwil
Posts: 615
Groaned at 53 Times in 23 Posts
Thanked 523 Times in 179 Posts
jerallie has a reputation beyond reputejerallie has a reputation beyond reputejerallie has a reputation beyond reputejerallie has a reputation beyond repute
Re: The food is here, just not for sale!!

Quote:
View Post
So, you're not a Bratwurst and Cervelat man, are you? Maybe it's time you learn to cook the things you miss instead of whinging about them.
Missing 1 thing okay.......missing 90% of what most people eat. It's not like we are talking one kind of missing choice. Around here, if it's not Italian or Swiss, you aren't eating out. That leaves out even a good French choice. Pointing out 1 place is sad. There should be multiple choices. Went to Grindelwald Saturday and wanted to eat at the (only i think) Asian place. 2 hour wait to get in. That tells me that if you added 3 more Asian places to Grindelwald alone, they would all still be packed. I don't actually miss "American Food" because it is easy to replicate with ease at home. Making good Asian food is something that most nonAsians are not that good at.
Reply With Quote
  #18  
Old 28.05.2012, 21:43
Caviarchips's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Basel Stadt
Posts: 3,979
Groaned at 99 Times in 77 Posts
Thanked 6,677 Times in 2,388 Posts
Caviarchips has a reputation beyond reputeCaviarchips has a reputation beyond reputeCaviarchips has a reputation beyond reputeCaviarchips has a reputation beyond reputeCaviarchips has a reputation beyond reputeCaviarchips has a reputation beyond repute
Re: The food is here, just not for sale!!

Quote:
View Post
all kinds of Japanese foods made by local Japenese families. Amazing food. The Thai consulate does a similar thing in June in the area and the US Embassy has one around or on July 4th. At our school, we have an international day where all our families bring food from their countries and people can sample. We have many Greek families that make Greek food to die for, but I'll be damned if there is a good Greek restaurant around either.
Quote:
View Post
Basically this post tells me that only Japanese people eat in Japanese restaurants? What a bunch of crap. You telling me only foreigners and expats eat international food (non Swiss food)? If this is truest is truly a f@&$ing sad day indeed. I grew up next to a town of less than 15 thousand, but had a plethora of Asian places to choose from. The population was over 90% white. Do you people really think that you walk into a Mexican restaurant and all you should see is Mexicans? What a sad, sheltered viewpoint. Conservative eaters my ass!! Xenophobic maybe. As far as living in the Berner Oberland goes. I live near my job, so not really my choice.
Then I apologise. I thought the point of your first post was that there are many foreigners here so should be restaurants to cater for them.

But I still stand by my point that they are conservative eaters for whom strong tastes are too alien to abide. Don't think its to do with xenophobia personally

(Of course, your choice of residence is your own business, but isn't Bern closer to your place of work than the heaving metropolis of Goldiwil? )
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank Caviarchips for this useful post:
  #19  
Old 28.05.2012, 21:58
jerallie's Avatar
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Goldiwil
Posts: 615
Groaned at 53 Times in 23 Posts
Thanked 523 Times in 179 Posts
jerallie has a reputation beyond reputejerallie has a reputation beyond reputejerallie has a reputation beyond reputejerallie has a reputation beyond repute
Re: The food is here, just not for sale!!

Quote:
View Post

(Of course, your choice of residence is your own business, but isn't Bern closer to your place of work than the heaving metropolis of Goldiwil? )
Yes......this massive place does lack a restaurant scene, and a center for that matter. But I am always willing to travel to Bern to eat.
Reply With Quote
  #20  
Old 28.05.2012, 22:01
Caviarchips's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Basel Stadt
Posts: 3,979
Groaned at 99 Times in 77 Posts
Thanked 6,677 Times in 2,388 Posts
Caviarchips has a reputation beyond reputeCaviarchips has a reputation beyond reputeCaviarchips has a reputation beyond reputeCaviarchips has a reputation beyond reputeCaviarchips has a reputation beyond reputeCaviarchips has a reputation beyond repute
Re: The food is here, just not for sale!!

Quote:
View Post
Yes......this massive place does lack a restaurant scene, and a center for that matter. But I am always willing to travel to Bern to eat.
Cool - looking forward to the review, thanks and greenies when you are delighted by the place I suggested in Kehrsatz
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank Caviarchips for this useful post:
Reply




Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Why is Talcum Powder not popular here? Transistor Daily life 15 28.05.2012 11:48
Hope my BOSS is not here :) Raj_4rm_Inglaand Jokes/funnies 12 14.12.2010 09:47
Is it because of the altitude here that the cheese is high quality? transition Daily life 47 06.08.2010 22:07
Sports Clubs for children - is there no sport just for fun here. telandy Family matters/health 10 07.07.2010 16:58
The Myth of Pure Food (or Why Middle-Class Food Bores Are Just Kidding Themselves) Guest General off-topic 345 10.09.2009 19:53


All times are GMT +2. The time now is 06:33.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2022, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
LinkBacks Enabled by vBSEO 3.1.0