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Re: Shark fin soup. Delicacy or animal abuse?

Cool thread, Mr Hat!

My personal opinion on this is:

1. Killing an animal, even a shark, to eat it is fine. I'm not a vegetarian.

2. Killing an animal just for one small part of it is a huge waste and is therefore not fine. Imagine if cows were killed just to extract around 5 hamburgers, and the rest left to rot.

3. In this specific instance, shark fin doesn't even have any flavour. It's just something rich people like to eat, and provide to guests, as a kind of "f you" to the environment as if to say "we can afford to kill a huge animal for this tasteless bit of rubber, so ner".

I lived in China for a while, and for many "new rich" Chinese, they buy stuff because they can afford it, regardless of whether they actually need or want it. At least in the UK, we have two from that list ("afford" and "want" - need is still missing often).

There is no solution; China owns or controls a large amount of the world's seas and will not implement controls against this. The tactical solution, imo, is to find recipes for the rest of the shark!
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Old 31.05.2012, 15:45
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Re: Shark fin soup. Delicacy or animal abuse?

only slightly off topic...

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2012...82.html?ref=uk

Largest Shark In British History Apparently Caught Off Coast Of Cornwall

Two fishermen who appeared to have caught the largest shark in British history off the coast of Cornwall face the possibility that it may not be recorded after they chose to let it go.

Wayne Comben and Graeme Pullen were angling near Boscastle, only a few hundred yards from the coast, had an encounter with vast shark, which is estimated to have weighed near 550lbs (250kg).
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Re: Shark fin soup. Delicacy or animal abuse?

Mind you... they might be surviving on Soylent Green by then!


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I like this comment, but I think the idea should be to learn from them, not just about them.

Mind you, I sometimes think that people in a hundred years will look back at videos from our time and wonder conclude that all of us were insane.
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only slightly off topic...

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2012...82.html?ref=uk

Largest Shark In British History Apparently Caught Off Coast Of Cornwall

Two fishermen who appeared to have caught the largest shark in British history off the coast of Cornwall face the possibility that it may not be recorded after they chose to let it go.

Wayne Comben and Graeme Pullen were angling near Boscastle, only a few hundred yards from the coast, had an encounter with vast shark, which is estimated to have weighed near 550lbs (250kg).
Good for them!
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Old 31.05.2012, 15:52
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Re: Shark fin soup. Delicacy or animal abuse?

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after they chose to let it go.

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Good for them!
I can just hear the both of them after they caught sight of the thing on the underwater camera.

"let it go!, let it go!!, we gotta get a bigger boat, let it go!! "




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Re: Shark fin soup. Delicacy or animal abuse?

there seems to be plenty of other uses for the rest of the shark, so not sure why they have to throw the rest of the shark back. (doc is well out of date though)

http://www.fao.org/docrep/005/x3690e/x3690e00.htm

however, treating shark fin with hydrogen peroxide to make it the traditional white colour doesn't encourage me to try it
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there seems to be plenty of other uses for the rest of the shark
Tasty steaks and shagreen leather, for starters.
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Re: Shark fin soup. Delicacy or animal abuse?

At a coastal resort in South Africa close to the boarder with Mozambique they said that the killing of sharks was a real issue. They didn't mention the finning and sending them back to the ocean but they said some North of the border were killing as many sharks as they can, keeping the fins for a chinese buyer to come 1 or 2 times a year.

I agree if you kill the animal do it humanely, use all you can. The sustainability issue seems a real one which needs addressing.

Im not going to eat it but i am not going to tell other people not to eat. Maybe I need to start a shark farm?

So animal abuse, finning definitely.
Delicacy, not for me.
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Old 31.05.2012, 16:58
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Re: Shark fin soup. Delicacy or animal abuse?

IMHO, it's a wasteful act...

just like
filling up plates of food and throwing half away or
letting clean water run while you brush your teeth or
overbuying perishables and dumping half of your fridge etc
at the end of it...it's a mentality issue...how we perceive things...

of course remembering as well that we as the consumers have the power to change things...
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Old 31.05.2012, 17:13
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Re: Shark fin soup. Delicacy or animal abuse?

i've eaten both shark fin soup and whale meat. we didn't climb to the top of the food chain to eat grass!
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Re: Shark fin soup. Delicacy or animal abuse?

Could be canabilism anyway!

I am going snorkelling in Sharm next week with my friend Carol - so wish us luck. Next time you eat shark- think about us and enjoy.
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I disapprove of shark fin as an ingredient because it is fundamentally tasteless - the whole point of that category of food (also birds nest) is that they have only texture, and takes on the taste of the surroundings - in the case of shark fin soup, exquisitely rich chicken broth. I find it hard to reconcile cruelly overfishing a species to make vaguely gelatinous soup that tastes like chicken and is mostly prized for being really pricy and giving you face.
actually, i wouldn't go out to order shark fin any more. firstly because of the wasteful/ethical issues but also there are some good alternatives now - i discovered some kind of vegetable which has the same consistency/texture as shark fin when used in soup. uncanny. dirt cheap and guilt-free (TM).
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Ahh the good old "dont eat this eat something else".

About 1bn people depend upon fish as their main source of protein and we need to eat something. The question is how do we control the fishing/hunting. As soon as you stick your finger in the pot and start taking away one species (or part of them) you have upset the balance. And there is no going back after that.

The best way is to issue quotas set by scientists and evaluate every year how much fish can be taken at a time.
That includes whales. Whales eat fish, so do we. In the perfect world we would hunt whale in ratio of the fish we take from the sea (in an attempt to keep the balance). Some people claim "Whales are endangered" which is only partly true because a whale is not one type of animal, its like saying birds are on the verge of extinction when you actually are talking about one type of bird.

This news article was published 5 weeks ago
"Preliminary results from research carried out by the Icelandic Marine Research Institute show that the cod stock index has now risen for the fifth consecutive year. The other good news is that the average weight of the cod has also increased which the Institute says is probably due to a larger quantity of capelin. The cod stock figures are thought to be at their highest level since 1985, but the institute, which is always cautious in its predictions, points out that some of the data it has collected will require further verification, particularly in relation to the size of fish."
Source: www.fishupdate.com

So despite what many people think we are not doing that bad after all in controlling how much to fish.

Oh and back on topic, If you are going to kill an shark make sure you use as much as possible from that animal. Its just common sense, i mean, its like buying a beer taking one sip and throwing the rest away. Its just wrong.
I agree with all you say here, only I believe your post sounds a bit contradictory at some point . On one part you say "saying birds are on the verge of extinction when you actually are talking about one type of bird" and then you quote an example of the cod stocks doing well, hence "So despite what many people think we are not doing that bad after all in controlling how much to fish". Yep cods might be doing better, but sharks might not.

BTW, I am part of the problem. I never bother to check where the fish I eat comes from (i.e. tuna). That would make a big difference if many of us start caring a bit more about the origins of the food we eat.
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Hmmm, perhaps I'll have to pick up some "vitello di mare" in Italy tomorrow!

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only slightly off topic...

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2012...82.html?ref=uk

Largest Shark In British History Apparently Caught Off Coast Of Cornwall

Two fishermen who appeared to have caught the largest shark in British history off the coast of Cornwall face the possibility that it may not be recorded after they chose to let it go.

Wayne Comben and Graeme Pullen were angling near Boscastle, only a few hundred yards from the coast, had an encounter with vast shark, which is estimated to have weighed near 550lbs (250kg).
Must have been a loan shark
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Or the next time the shark eats you!
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There is no shark, fin, fish in this post.
And also not in my signature. Ok?
Life is like a box of chocolates, eat up before it all goes bad.

^^ your signature. eat up all the shark and lets not worry about the consequences.

no doubt, killing a hundred million apex predators a year has little or no effect on the ecosystem and food chain?
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The main reason for eating whale in Norway is because it is CHEAP!

I eat it because I like it (seal, too).

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Re: Shark fin soup. Delicacy or animal abuse?

i grew up eating shark, turtle and a bunch of other things that are surely on the lists of things that are immoral to eat for various reasons. the difference was when we ate them it was animals that were caught by hand, close to home and traditional foods that were native to the area. shark fins? we never ate though there were many, they were used for other things. but is it ok to eat this here in switzerland?

i don't really see the point. the practices for large scale fishing are horrendous, i know because i have family members who fish for a living and they tell me all about it. i'm personally, a fan of eating locally found items and shark anything here in switzerland just doesn't work.

not to mention that cutting off a fin and returning the shark to water just seems cruel, that fin is there for a reason... why not stick to fondue?
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I agree with all you say here, only I believe your post sounds a bit contradictory at some point . On one part you say "saying birds are on the verge of extinction when you actually are talking about one type of bird" and then you quote an example of the cod stocks doing well, hence "So despite what many people think we are not doing that bad after all in controlling how much to fish". Yep cods might be doing better, but sharks might not.
True, true. But saying "not that bad" means there is more we can do but somethings we are doing right. If all nations would agree on some sort of system (like Iceland is doing with the cod for example) then we would have a better chance at sustainability of all species.

Then ofcourse once we have that fixed we just need to agree on the fishing methods and make sure everone follows the rules.

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