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Old 09.08.2012, 18:32
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I don't think anyone is under the illusion that there is no bad food in the UK (or anywhere for that matter). The problem arises when there are people joining the thread just to troll it into a train wreck and squeeze any meaningful discussion out of it.

I've had my fair share of bad food in England but I've also had some of the best food. I haven't found anywhere that cooks fish in quite the same delicious way that I found in Cornwall but a place in the Lake District absolutely murdered a gammon steak I ordered.

There is always someone available to knock English food but it's usually out of ignorance and a "jump on the bandwagon" attitude.

I never managed to get a good meal when I travelled around the US but I won't stand up and say ALL food is bad there - I just didn't find it. Conversely, I've only ever had fabulous food in Germany but can understand that there are some places serving up absolute slop. Again, I just didn't see such places.

I had the worst food poisoning of my life in France through chicken livers and now cannot even think of them without feeling, well, .

It's all about balance and discussion but some seem incapable of that.
Yeah, this true. I remember a occasion at a pub in Allendale (far north). We arrived there after 22:00, and the owner was very gentle and prepared a meal to us as anyway. The food was superb. I don't remember the name but was some meat cooked with dark beer and some veggies.
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Old 09.08.2012, 18:40
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Re: Uk food vs european

I have heard it said, that Britain has more cheeses than France. Cheeses are about as traditional as it gets. I suggest you go and visit our Mr Grapefruit at his British Cheese stand and taste some and then report back whether you consider them bland.

Britain had good food before Indian influences came, but Indian influences added further variety.

Indians copied the concept of whsiky from the Scots. Today there is something called Indian whsiky, and it's defined not just by the country of origin but by a whole number of characteristics. Would you insist on calling it Scottish. The Scots might not like that, as there is also a clear concept of what a Scotch whisky is. Now you go and tell a real Scotsman that Indian whisky is really Scottish whisky and I'll stand back while he does your skull in.
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Old 09.08.2012, 18:48
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In regards to the restaurant I ate in with my sister (the one that was rated as one of the "Top 50 London Restaurants" by Time Out), I had a steak: well hung and matured, properly grilled (medium rare) and served with a plain green salad (very fresh leaves with a simple vinagraite). Hardly "pretentious", but quality.

You seem very dismissive of such restaurants, but have you ever eaten in one of these so-called "pretentious" places or at a Michelin starred restaurant?. The food, quite simply, is superb. Furthermore, eating at such places is an experience, not just a fuel stop.

This is arguable, quite a few chefs (including Madhur Jaffrey, Gordon Ramsay, etc.) have made a professional pilgrimage to the Indian Subcontinent and they always remark on how radically different the food is there to "Indian" food in the UK. I saw an episode of Gordon Ramsay's Great Escape filmed in Delhi where he pointed out that Butter Chicken in Delhi (where the dish was created) was so radically different to the British version that the only commonality was the chicken.
Yes, Yes, Yes -- that is the point. You don't have always eat in Mstar restaurants, but these guys are setting the trends for the next food waves. Down to your average, even sometimes fast food. Ferra from El Bulli is now consulting with PEPSICO! On chip flavors and how possibly to get them healthier. Sell out? Maybe. But the UK has more influential chefs than Suisse. On the Continent, no one can beat the Basque.

To me, obesity is a different issue. I agree that the kids eat at home more here, the lunch time meal, etc is more healthier for them. Lack of fast food alternatives and lack of a plethora of snack choices probably helps too. But to me, another thread.
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Old 09.08.2012, 21:41
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Sand that is just low. You know I made valid points. Why bring out the troll card and then probably get me banned? I am staying out of this mess.

Good luck selling English food to the world
Without sounding harsh... it's 'coz your talking poo, and really it's smell like T.... to me, but people seem to be giving you the benefit of the doubt

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Yeah, this true. I remember a occasion at a pub in Allendale (far north). We arrived there after 22:00, and the owner was very gentle and prepared a meal to us as anyway. The food was superb. I don't remember the name but was some meat cooked with dark beer and some veggies.
Erm.. Allendale would be in the north of England, there's a place called Scotland that sit's above that (lets not get into deep fried Mars bars) so the far north of the UK would be a 4 hours from Allendale
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This is more like itAttachment 47360
Close, but no cigar...

A few comments:
  • For me, baked beans, tomato and potatoes have no place in an English breakfast (and yes, I know they are very popular),
  • The mushrooms should be flat-cap, not button (which look boiled, not grilled or fried in that picture).
  • The minimum serving size for sausage is TWO.
  • The bread looks like toast and not the infamous "fried slice" (beloved by the tastebuds, hated by the arteries).
  • Conspicuously absent is black pudding (and the optional white pudding)
  • Eggs can also be scrambled or poached
  • Presumably out-of-shot is the cup of strong coffee/strong tea
And if you want to hearken back to earlier times, a flagon of "small beer" would not go amiss.

When it's absolutely pouring down with freezing cold rain, I'm afraid that the European breakfasts (see Aperez's post) as good as they can be simply don't cut the mustard (now back to my boring eat-at-my-desk Migros sandwich)

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Old 10.08.2012, 13:56
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... I never managed to get a good meal when I travelled around the US but I won't stand up and say ALL food is bad there - I just didn't find it...
Having lived in the US and travelled extensively through it, I think it's fairly fair to say that outside of NYC, Boston, Chicago and San Francisco, very good food is difficult to come by (although you can stumble across some gems - like the seafront cafe in Northern California run by a fishermen's cooperative).

If you happen to be in a state where (and I exaggerate but a little), cooking traditionally consists mostly of battering and deep-frying, you can't go wrong by eating in a steak-house. Even the cheap chains have excellent meat and if you avoid the calorific excesses of the salad-bar - quite healthy as well.
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Erm.. Allendale would be in the north of England, there's a place called Scotland that sit's above that (lets not get into deep fried Mars bars) so the far north of the UK would be a 4 hours from Allendale
Thanks for the geography lesson but I already knew that! I just thought that I didn't had to go to this level of detail here
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Having lived in the US and travelled extensively through it, I think it's fairly fair to say that outside of NYC, Boston, Chicago and San Francisco, very good food is difficult to come by (although you can stumble across some gems - like the seafront cafe in Northern California run by a fishermen's cooperative).
Actually, I don't like the reflex that whenever somebody criticises Britain, that we deflect that by showing that the US is in a worse mess than we are (unless of course its Americans who are doing the criticising).

Besides which I've had very decent and wholesome food in some very unlikely small-town redneck locations in the US.

But as you say, these are exceptions, and you have to be extremely lucky or know local people to find them.
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Actually, I don't like the reflex that whenever somebody criticises Britain that we deflect that by showing that the US is in a worse mess than we are .
I think you misunderstood me, I wasn't doing that, I was just sharing my US experience. There is some fantastic food available in the US, but it's found predominantly in the cities mentioned (in my experience and certainly in the opinion of at least one NY Times food critic).
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... But as you say, these are exceptions, and you have to be extremely lucky or know local people to find them.
Quite, but don't forget I also said that a really good steak can be found pretty much anywhere in the US...

I wish the US had exported their steak house franchises better than their burger franchises (although I think in CH only a millionaire would be able to afford the equivalent of a Big Texan Steak Ranch 72oz Steak Dinner [a steak house in Amarillo, Texas])

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I think you misunderstood me, I wasn't doing that, I was just sharing my US experience. There is some fantastic food available in the US, but it's found predominantly in the cities mentioned (in my experience and certainly in the opinion of at least one NY Times food critic).
Quite, but don't forget I also said that a really good steak can be found pretty much anywhere in the US...

I wish the US had exported their steak house franchises better than their burger franchises (although I think in CH only a millionaire would be able to afford the equivalent of a Big Texan Steak Ranch 72oz Steak Dinner [a steak house in Amarillo, Texas])
I think your list of US cities is probably about 20 short. Fair enough this may be your experience but its not only 4 cities. DC, LA, Miami, come immediately to mind and I have lived but not travelled the whole US.

And a New Yorker who thinks every things bigger and better in NY is hardly a surprise (and maybe it is. Def loads of choice).

PS English or US breakfast over European bread and cheese every time.
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I always try to understand why those islanders, having had such a vast empire, having sailed through all seas, never managed to incorporate into their national cuisine the virtues of foreign food and its methods.
Bless - this sentance perfectly iluminates your complete ignorance on the subject - Thanks for sharing

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Or is it yet another "they didn't have that food in my locale, therefore it didn't exist"?
Flavio's profile suggests that he/she is Spanish, so I imagine this is highly likey
(Although the ultimate irony is of course that London has some of the best Spanish cuisine outside of Spain)

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Just a funny comparison among some EU different breakfasts:
Well done - you found a crap picture of an english fry up & then searched for some sutably elegant pictures of other breakfasts.
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The most famous Brit TV cooking show is "The two fat ladies", enough said.
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The most famous Brit TV cooking show 25 years ago was "The two fat ladies", enough said.
Fixed that for you...

Jamie Oliver and Gordon Ramsey are two chefs that immediately spring to mind that have overtaken the "Two Fat Ladies" and are famous around the globe.
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The most famous Brit TV cooking show is "The two fat ladies", enough said.
Shhh! English food rocks!
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Photo fail as Spanish looks more appealing to me

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Well done - you found a crap picture of an english fry up & then searched for some sutably elegant pictures of other breakfasts.
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Shhh! English food rocks!
I think they used an average of 3 Kg of bacon per episode.
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Shhh! English food rocks!
We love feeding it to trolls too.
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Photo fail as Spanish looks more appealing to me
Well it would to an American, wouldn't it? - although no doubt you'd want a side order of microwave melted Velvetta with it too.
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Re: Uk food vs european

Food in Ireland/England pretty much the same...

If that comment is grossly inaccurate i apologise in advance

When i go back home i dont have a problem with crap fodd. Yep hihgh fat, salt and calorie food is on the menu but i dont need to order it. Theres always some thing far tastier and healthier on it too.

One difference i think is HUGE is the products beside the check out. In CH you find usually a small display with chewing gum and sucky sweets beside the checkout in Ireland you have a 6 foot wide display of different chocolate bars, sweets, crisps etc.. YOu can hardly see the check out person behind all the junk!!

I generally wouldnt eat junk food, its not a decision i have made but i dont buy it and dont crave it... when i am home because its there in front of my face i just end up buying something... always lol
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