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Re: Uk food vs european

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Just a funny comparison among some EU different breakfasts:

English:


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I'm too rest my case!! :-)

And before any comment, I want to make it clear I don't have anything against UK, apart from the food obviously :-). But I think one should be wise and humble to recognize the weaknesses and strengths of his/her own country. I don't feel any ashamed to point out all the problems I have in my original country as I proud of the good side of it.

"Pride goes before destruction, and a haughty spirit before a fall"
Even though this is a typical greasy spoon version, predominantly found in the workers cafe and not the type found in the nicer pubs or posh type cafes, the pic you reference for the English brekkie still beats all the other breakfasts in my opinion.

Cheese, breads and jams are a lunch thing for Brits. Breakfast should be hearty, meaty and yummy. Granted, on a daily basis it is not healthy, especially this version, but never put me out of shape!
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Old 14.08.2012, 14:50
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Re: Uk food vs european

Apart from the British one, the rest are mainly a collection of ingredients dumped from the fridge on to your table.
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Re: Uk food vs european

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Jamie Oliver and Gordon Ramsey are two chefs that immediately spring to mind that have overtaken the "Two Fat Ladies" and are famous around the globe.
I know those 2 as well....
Gordon Ramsey is most famous for insulting his employees.
Jamie Oliver is not so bad, but his interpretations of quick-fix
Italian irritate me, like "I know proper ragú bolognese takes 3-4 hours,
but we can do it in 30 minutes, and it tastes the same."
The same, sure.
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Apart from the British one, the rest are mainly a collection of ingredients dumped from the fridge on to your table.
Perhaps unkind, but generally true. Who, in Europe, bakes their own gipfeli, brioche or croissant for their breakfast (very few, I would think). Even the simplest "Full English" breakfast involves a certain degree of ability with a frying pan. And if we get into Edwardian Country House Breakfast territory (kedgeree, devilled kidneys, lamb cutlets Reform, etc.) there's some serious breakfast cooking.
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I know those 2 as well....
Gordon Ramsey is most famous for insulting his employees....
Really? And I suppose his 12 Michelin stars are for the quality of his insults?

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... Jamie Oliver is not so bad, but his interpretations of quick-fix Italian irritate me, like "I know proper ragú bolognese takes 3-4 hours, but we can do it in 30 minutes, and it tastes the same." The same, sure.
Whilst I agree (and find his "cheeky, chirpy mockney lad" persona irritating), he can cook and has passion and enthusiasm for food and good eating. I admire his crusade to wean the average Brit away from junk food.

I find that, for top notch recipes a talented amatuer can attempt, both Gary Rhodes and Mark Hix are top chefs in that regards.
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Perhaps unkind, but generally true. Who, in Europe, bakes their own gipfeli, brioche or croissant for their breakfast (very few, I would think). Even the simplest "Full English" breakfast involves a certain degree of ability with a frying pan. And if we get into Edwardian Country House Breakfast territory (kedgeree, devilled kidneys, lamb cutlets Reform, etc.) there's some serious breakfast cooking.
Really? And I suppose his 12 Michelin stars are for the quality of his insults?

Whilst I agree (and find his "cheeky, chirpy mockney lad" persona irritating), he can cook and has passion and enthusiasm for food and good eating. I admire his crusade to wean the average Brit away from junk food.

I find that, for top notch recipes a talented amatuer can attempt, both Gary Rhodes and Mark Hix are top chefs in that regards.

Yeh but it's no Rosti (rubbish hash browns) or ?????-Wurst is it (Giant rubber sausage filled with, erm, rubber I think)
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Even though this is a typical greasy spoon version, predominantly found in the workers cafe and not the type found in the nicer pubs or posh type cafes, the pic you reference for the English brekkie still beats all the other breakfasts in my opinion.
I must admit that when I skimmed the earlier post I didn't spot the little smilies next to each picture, so I had assumed it was posted as an example of a Full English being so superior to all the others...

I've no problem with the sorts of breakfasts found in most small Swiss hotels, but it's noticeable that the further up the star rating scale they go the more likely they are to include eggs and bacon, thence beans, tomatoes, black pudding etc. So even the Swiss hotel industry aspires to proper cooked breakfasts
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And I suppose his 12 Michelin stars are for the quality of his insults?
Don't know about the quality of his food (and I never will, I hate his attitude) but the quality of his insults are legendary:
http://www.dailyfork.com/2009/03/gor...15_insults.php
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Apart from the British one, the rest are mainly a collection of ingredients dumped from the fridge on to your table.
Yeah, maybe true! On the other hand, was the breakfast in the first picture found in a rubbish can?

Sorry, I couldn't help my self. But serious now, no one will convince me that British breakfast is good. Some foods (overall) can be not too bad.
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Don't know about the quality of his food (and I never will, I hate his attitude) but the quality of his insults are legendary:
http://www.dailyfork.com/2009/03/gor...15_insults.php
When he calls someone a Donkey on Hells Kitchen well thats the best part. And usually they are
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Re: Uk food vs european

Coming from Norway I have grown up with a very similar mentality as the Swiss when it comes to food, meaning we are brought up to believe our food is better than anywhere else.
Our fish is better and fresher, our meat is of a vastly superior quality and our vegetables are fresh and full of healthy goodness..
Nevertheless we all jump at the opportunities to buy meat and beer in SE or DK whenever we have the chance, and justify this to ourselves by the vast savings on these “substandard” food items

In my experience, the Swiss do much the same with their neighbour countries. I have seen several disapproving looks at German meat at BBQs as well as for French cheeses brought to the office for lunch in the same way I would see scorn at Danish beer or a Kassler from a Swedish meat counter when I was back in Norway. Maybe it’s time we widen our horizons a bit?

It takes a while to figure out food in a new country, andgenerally you will find alternatives and substitutes for most.
The only food I really miss since leaving Norway is fresh fish. There are decent fish counters in some of the supermarkets both in the UK and CH, but it’s just not the same.
Understandable for CH maybe, as we are in a landlocked country far away from the big blue wobbly stuff where the cod and the mackerel roam, but I still miss it.

When I moved to London in 2004 I however quickly learned that the mediocre reputation of English food is not deserved at all. My first proper Christmas dinner with roast turkey and all the trimmings still remain a fond memory of English traditional food.

And to date I miss the large selection of food items you would find in any UK supermarket. Choosing from a wall of different Mustards from all over the world instead of three types from Thommy and the two of the house brand was great, and browsing through a meat counter twenty meters long filled with cuts I could afford without getting a bad conscience was fantastic.

Swiss food might have a good quality overall, but UK food definitely deserves a lot of credit as well.
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Yeah, maybe true! On the other hand, was the breakfast in the first picture found in a rubbish can?

Sorry, I couldn't help my self. But serious now, no one will convince me that British breakfast is good. Some foods (overall) can be not too bad.
Her Majesty's finest prisons do serve said breakfast in a can, but it is not like that picture, far worse.

That picture looks good to me, and would taste really good in comparison to bread, cheese, ham and jam.

Eaten daily, it would start to show no doubt, but 90% of brits do not eat it daily. When I resided in the UK it was a Saturday thing after a heavy night, it cures a hangover wonderfully.

But a bacon sarnie is equallly as good, and I mean proper smoked thick cut bacon, not the streaky unsmoked variety found in europe.

I am unsure why British food gets a bad rep myself, I certainly think the food is better than here, France would beat the Brits for culinary delights, Italy for some too, but for me, its mosty pasta and tomato based so doesnt do it for me. Germany, is not too different to what I see here in Zurich, so equally pants. I am just glad I can cook otherwise my bank manager and stomach would not enjoy daily dining in Switzerland.
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And to date I miss the large selection of food items you would find in any UK supermarket. Choosing from a wall of different Mustards from all over the world instead of three types from Thommy and the two of the house brand was great, and browsing through a meat counter twenty meters long filled with cuts I could afford without getting a bad conscience was fantastic.
I agree. The vegetable and fruit section of the supermarket I use to go to in the UK is bigger than my local MM Migros.
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I think it's also worth noting what quite a few here seem to comlpetely mis understand about British food is that it is a 'magpie' cuisine - it has been for centuries. we are actually very good at taking bits & pieces from elsewhere & making things our own - recieving with open arms the food of other cultures.
That leads to an astonishing choice of foods readily available in the UK that's pretty much unbeatable certainly in Europe if not arguably, the world (NYC & London are probably the two most diverse food cities on the planet).

Yes, sure, Italian & French food is beautiful when cooked with passion, but I tell you what, I've certainly had my share of soggy plastic pizzas, pathetic pastas, stock cube sauce moules mariniere & dry as bone Coq au Vin's in my time as well.

Oh, and try finding anything but Italian cuisine ingredients in an average Italian supermarket
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Her Majesty's finest prisons do serve said breakfast in a can, but it is not like that picture, far worse.
You'd be lucky if you got even one single item off that plate.
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But a bacon sarnie is equallly as good, and I mean proper smoked thick cut bacon, not the streaky unsmoked variety found in europe.
With proper brahn sauce, of course.

Personally I use smoked streaky that you can get over here in preference to back bacon, but agree that it's way too thin most of the time. There's one brand we buy from Lidl in France that's a bit thicker than most and I'm happy enough with it that brit-style Bacon's not high on my list of luxuries to bring back when travelling.
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Re: Uk food vs european

Well I for one would much rather have a good British breakfast than the European stuff. And after all said and done 29 Golds can't be wrong!
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I think it's also worth noting what quite a few here seem to comlpetely mis understand about British food is that it is a 'magpie' cuisine - it has been for centuries. we are actually very good at taking bits & pieces from elsewhere & making things our own - recieving with open arms the food of other cultures.
That leads to an astonishing choice of foods readily available in the UK that's pretty much unbeatable certainly in Europe if not arguably, the world (NYC & London are probably the two most diverse food cities on the planet).

Yes, sure, Italian & French food is beautiful when cooked with passion, but I tell you what, I've certainly had my share of soggy plastic pizzas, pathetic pastas, stock cube sauce moules mariniere & dry as bone Coq au Vin's in my time as well.

Oh, and try finding anything but Italian cuisine ingredients in an average Italian supermarket
In Italian there is a saying: "fare di necessitá virtú".
Which could translate to something like: to be proud of a necessity.
The fact that UK is open to foreign food was a necessity, because local food was... well...
The opposite for Italian supermarkets: Italians do not look for foreign food so much because they are happy with what they have.
You didn't have soggy pizza in Italy, did you? That place in Italy would close in 3 days.
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In Italian there is a saying: "fare di necessitá virtú".
Which could translate to something like: to be proud of a necessity.
The fact that UK is open to foreign food was a necessity, because local food was... well...
The opposite for Italian supermarkets: Italians do not look for foreign food so much because they are happy with what they have.
You didn't have soggy pizza in Italy, did you? That place in Italy would close in 3 days.
Gennaro Contaldo actually claimed that the Italians were afraid to try new foods which is why they don't stray too far from their own cuisine.

PS - I have had dreadful pizza in Italy.
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You didn't have soggy pizza in Italy, did you?
Yes - I've probably had more shite pizzas in italy than in Switzerland to be totally honest. People brush under the carpet the fact that Italy has some bloody appalling food served by restaurants & cafe's & pizzeria's resting on the reputation & myth that all italian food is authentic mama's best.
That said, I've also had some of the most amazing pizza in my life down south.

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No it wouldn't - again there is this myth that all italians eat outside on a under a shady olive tree feasting on 4 or 5 courses or something: Rubbish - have you been to a working class suburb in Milan or Rome or Naples?
Newsflash: Italians eat shite food too!
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try finding anything but Italian cuisine ingredients in an average Italian supermarket
I take it that you haven't been to one in quite a few years (or perhaps decades).

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Eaten daily, it would start to show no doubt, but 90% of brits do not eat it daily. When I resided in the UK it was a Saturday thing after a heavy night, it cures a hangover wonderfully.
Eaten daily all of those breakfasts would be considered unhealthy. The difference is the fry up is worth it

Not only does a fry up defeat a hangover it defeats the need for lunch as you can feel the fat keeping your belly full for a good 8 hours, love it.

The continent has some wonderful food. Breakfast aint it.
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