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Cooking without wine

I want to make a classical French style sauce (velouté) for pasta for some guests who don't drink alcohol at all.

What can be used in the preparation of the base instead of the traditional white wine to give a similar taste? Will a high acid apple juice work?
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Old 01.08.2012, 12:07
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Re: Cooking without wine

What about alcohol free wine?
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Old 01.08.2012, 12:08
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Re: Cooking without wine

You can simply boil off the alcohol before using the wine (alcohol boils at a lower temperature than water)

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I want to make a classical French style sauce (velouté) for pasta for some guests who don't drink alcohol at all.
Alcohol damps away during the cooking. There is guaranteed 0% alcohol in a wine sauce when it gets served.
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Re: Cooking without wine

For redwine use stock and a bit of aceto balsamici. For whitwine stock and Applejuice or stock and Lemonjuice.
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You can simply boil off the alcohol before using the wine (alcohol boils at a lower temperature than water)

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Alcohol damps away during the cooking. There is guaranteed 0% alcohol in a wine sauce when it gets served.
I know! I should have mentioned that it's a religious objection, so that doesn't work
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Old 01.08.2012, 12:41
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I know! I should have mentioned that it's a religious objection, so that doesn't work
But if the alcohol is removed, what religious objection can there be?

Besides, fruit juice always contains small amounts of alcohol due to natural fermentation in the fruit itself!

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But if the alcohol is removed, what religious objection can there be?

Besides, fruit juice always contains small amounts of alcohol due to natural fermentation in the fruit itself!

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Maybe they just come over to eat, not for a debate on principles.
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But if the alcohol is removed, what religious objection can there be?

Besides, fruit juice always contains small amounts of alcohol due to natural fermentation in the fruit itself!

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Well, assuming I'd just like to make tasty pasta for my guests without the risk that they taste wine and become uncomfortable, or that I'd rather not start the evening with a discussion on the overlap between Islam and food chemistry, I'm wondering about alternatives
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Re: Cooking without wine

If you go with alcohol free wine they'll still taste the wine (if they have sophisticated taste buds).

Is this for today? Can you go with another recipe?
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If you go with alcohol free wine they'll still taste the wine (if they have sophisticated taste buds).

Is this for today? Can you go with another recipe?
No, it's for tomorrow, but it's one of my WOW dishes and there are other dietary complications to consider

I'll go with apple juice I think
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Old 01.08.2012, 12:59
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Re: Cooking without wine

tell them it's grape juice. they sound pretty gullible anyhow
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Alcohol damps away during the cooking. There is guaranteed 0% alcohol in a wine sauce when it gets served.
That's a myth. http://www.zeit.de/2005/50/Stimmts_50
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Re: Cooking without wine

or in English

http://www.ochef.com/165.htm

I heard a TV chef talking about this the other day, that yes while not all wine cooks off if you are only using say a cup of wine, at 12 % alcohol and 85 percent of that burns off... well... I'll let you math boffins figure it out but its not very much

THAT said, if the people who will be caviarchips guests have a "issue" with alcohol, and he's trying to be accommodating ... apple juice it is.
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Re: Cooking without wine

Oh sorry, I didn't get it was religious.
In French cuisine, I'd say the only French alternative to wine that comes into my mind is stock. Choose the animal you like best to make the stock... I always use chicken stock, I like it with lemon tree leaves in it, which is not really French.
To replace red wine, I wonder what it tastes with a beef stock and some turkish sumach (Rhus coriaria).
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http://www.ochef.com/165.htm

I heard a TV chef talking about this the other day, that yes while not all wine cooks off if you are only using say a cup of wine, at 12 % alcohol and 85 percent of that burns off... well... I'll let you math boffins figure it out but its not very much

THAT said, if the people who will be caviarchips guests have a "issue" with alcohol, and he's trying to be accommodating ... apple juice it is.
maybe he could burn off the alcohol using fractional distillation techniques
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Re: Cooking without wine

Well, if you are serving them tomorrow, and they really are as religious as you say, then make sure you serve them no earlier than 9:06 p.m. as this is Ramadan and they will surely be fasting.

Also it is customary to begin a meal during the month of Ramadan with a few dates (or figs are also acceptable). And their daily fasting should always be broken with water first.
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tell them it's grape juice. they sound pretty gullible anyhow
Jeez......sometimes this place becomes a parody of itself.

Q - I have some guests coming who can't drink wine for religious reasons. any alternatives?

A - the Holy Trinity of EF answering

1. Change the question - give them wine and hope they don't notice
2. Debate the premise - why don't they drink wine? Why don't they understand chemistry
3. Insult somebody - "they seem gullible anyway". What led you to that conclusion?

I'm off to get some sun before I get irritated. Thanks for the helpful answers
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Re: Cooking without wine

I dont' know about the apple juice. Won't it be too sweet?

If you have time tomorrow, I'd look for the alcohol free wine. I'm assuming it exists as some else mentioned it first.

But, my DH say never test out new recipes on guests. Do you have a #2 killer dish?
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If it's a white wine sub, I'd mix a little vinegar or lemon juice into the apple juice to cut the sweetness. And you might possibly dilute the mix with water. It's actually worth it to taste it and see if the tartness is the same as the wine. There's also white grape juice - is it available here?
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