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[QUOTE=aSwissInTheUS;1667669]He took it too far to just pop in and ask him. Robert Barth (* 25. Oktober 1922 in Zürich; † 29. März 2007 in Rothrist).



Most things you hear or see in a pub should be taken with a pinch of salt or in this case a glass of milk, however the guy I spoke to knew what he was talking about, maybe he had something to do with it?

The thought of alcoholic water seemed to him a very good idea, I don't know or really care, at the time I was on the beer so it mattered not...

New successful alcoholic drinks are rare, looking back on the idea of alcoholic water I don't think its not that bad, I like the taste of water, if it gave a kick maybe I'd like it even better...

Then again it was a few years ago, it could of been him....But who are we anyway in a pub, only the people we want to be if thats what we want to do...

Getting pissed on Evian will take away the need of a brown paper bag

I also like the idea of non alcoholic wine, bottled like the original so you could keep a clear head whilst all around lost theirs...
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That's why you see athletes eating chips during timeouts rather than sipping on their gatorades right?
That's more down to sponsorship than the physical benefits...

They just contain salts and sugars, same as you get in those electrolyte sachets after you've had bad guts with diarrhoea and the same effect as you would get with a sugary drink and a salty snack.

Obviously, it's easier to buy an Iso drink or Gatorade off the shelf but the point is that they are nothing more than a sugary drink with a few salts thrown in but they market themselves as some kind of miracle composition which contains nothing but common-or-garden ingredients.
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it contains everything milk does. But what counts is that it is a really nice drink to enjoy
no it doesn't - it contains milk serum and gets rid of everything in the milk that's actually healthy.

Rivella is sugar water, nothing else. The fact that some people think it's healthy goes back to a time when cow milk was still considered "healthy". Because Rivella contains milk components, people automatically thought it was good for them.

Today it's pretty clear that Rivella is about as healthy as Coke. The diet version's even worse as it contains aspartame.

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Today it's pretty clear that Rivella is about as healthy as Coke. The diet version's even worse as it contains aspartame.

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What's wrong with aspartame please?
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What's wrong with aspartame please?
Just google it - there's enough written, from causing cancer to destroying white matter in the brain.

I'm not including links, so you (one) can choose yourself what you read and what you believe.

Personally, I avoid artificial sweeteners and always choose the sugar option ..... in moderation.
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Just google it - there's enough written, from causing cancer to destroying white matter in the brain.

I'm not including links, so you (one) can choose yourself what you read and what you believe.

Personally, I avoid artificial sweeteners and always choose the sugar option ..... in moderation.
yupp - same here.
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Just google it - there's enough written, from causing cancer to destroying white matter in the brain.

I'm not including links, so you (one) can choose yourself what you read and what you believe.

Personally, I avoid artificial sweeteners and always choose the sugar option ..... in moderation.
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yupp - same here.
Sorry - I didn't phrase my question very well. I'm interested to know what YOU think is wrong with aspartame. I have my own view already, but I have an interest in hearing your opinion.
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Sorry - I didn't phrase my question very well. I'm interested to know what YOU think is wrong with aspartame. I have my own view already, but I have an interest in hearing your opinion.
I actually don't like the taste of artificial sweeteners (aspartame and saccharine), in products, and as there are many negative aspects reported, I'm not going to force myself to like it.
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Sorry - I didn't phrase my question very well. I'm interested to know what YOU think is wrong with aspartame. I have my own view already, but I have an interest in hearing your opinion.
It's one of the more controversial artificial sweeteners. It's on the shortlist for substances suspected of causing Parkinson's disease, for example. While it's still allowed to be used in food products intended for adults, aspartame is banned in the EU for products intended for consumption by children - that's enough for me.

The EFSA is currently doing a full review of aspartame and related substances. That, too, gives me enough reason to stay away from it.

Oh, and even the FDA is considering a ban: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/samuel..._b_250249.html

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It's one of the more controversial artificial sweeteners. It's on the shortlist for substances suspected of causing Parkinson's disease, for example. While it's still allowed to be used in food products intended for adults, aspartame is banned in the EU for products intended for consumption by children - that's enough for me.

The EFSA is currently doing a full review of aspartame and related substances. That, too, gives me enough reason to stay away from it.

Oh, and even the FDA is considering a ban: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/samuel..._b_250249.html

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Interesting article there in the Huffington Post (August 2009). It includes the following quote:

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Under the explicit provisions of the 1958 Delaney Law, which requires an automatic ban on carcinogenic food additives, it is anticipated that Dr. Margaret Hamburg, the newly appointed FDA Commissioner and inspiring public health advocate, will promptly ban the continued use of aspartame.
And yet, she hasn't. Why not?
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I'm impressed this has gotten 4 pages... Must be a slow week.
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And yet, she hasn't. Why not?
Well, "promptly" when it comes to FDA decisions can be many years. Also, the matter has prompted the sweetener and pop manufacturer lobby to launch a sh*tstorm of complaints, so the matter will probably drag on for another decade before a decision is made.
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Old 20.09.2012, 13:15
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I actually don't like the taste of artificial sweeteners (aspartame and saccharine), in products...
Same here.

In the long ago days when I drank tea with sugar and wanted to stop, I tried artificial sweeteners a couple of times and hated the taste so much I was able to go straight to tea with zero sugar and have not looked back.

Now, if only I could do the same with coffee.
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I prefer the taske of carbonated drinks with artificial sugar to real sugar. Plus (despite the controversy) it's healthier and I don't get that sticky-mouth feeling.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aspartame_controversy

However, I am one of those people who would order a bucket of KFC "and diet coke please". So it's not as if I'm a health nut

When much younger, I'd drink tea and coffee with sugar. One day (on prompting by a colleague) I just stopped. It took two days only (well, I drink a lot of tea and coffee!) befure I got used to the taste, and pretty quickly I no longer liked the taste of either with sugar added.
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He took it too far to just pop in and ask him. Robert Barth (* 25. Oktober 1922 in Zürich; † 29. März 2007 in Rothrist).



Most things you hear or see in a pub should be taken with a pinch of salt or in this case a glass of milk, however the guy I spoke to knew what he was talking about, maybe he had something to do with it?

The thought of alcoholic water seemed to him a very good idea, I don't know or really care, at the time I was on the beer so it mattered not...

New successful alcoholic drinks are rare, looking back on the idea of alcoholic water I don't think its not that bad, I like the taste of water, if it gave a kick maybe I'd like it even better...

Then again it was a few years ago, it could of been him....But who are we anyway in a pub, only the people we want to be if thats what we want to do...

Getting pissed on Evian will take away the need of a brown paper bag

I also like the idea of non alcoholic wine, bottled like the original so you could keep a clear head whilst all around lost theirs...
Alcoholic water?
1 part absolute EtOH to 4 parts water (depending on strength required). Not sure how you'd mask the taste of EtOH though.
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Sorry - I didn't phrase my question very well. I'm interested to know what YOU think is wrong with aspartame. I have my own view already, but I have an interest in hearing your opinion.
Puhutes - why did that deserve a groan? It was a genuine question. I have a profession interest in what people think about these issues
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my 2 cents, as the story goes on Aspartame; Donald Rumsfeld was the CEO of the company that tried to get it approved by the FDA, The top man in the department said it was bad and needed more studies and that he wouldn't approve it. So Reagan, fired the top guy, put a new guy in his place that approved it... Coincidence? Now you can look and find studies that it's causing tumors in women's brains... and that it breaks down when exposed to heat in to formaldehyde and other noxious chemicals, was just a wonderful benefit for the soldiers in Desert Shield and Desert Storm as pallets and pallets of diet coke and pepsi were sitting on the tarmacs in the desert sun... follow the money, that's why it's not coming off the market anytime soon.
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my 2 cents, as the story goes on Aspartame; Donald Rumsfeld was the CEO of the company that tried to get it approved by the FDA, The top man in the department said it was bad and needed more studies and that he wouldn't approve it. So Reagan, fired the top guy, put a new guy in his place that approved it... Coincidence? Now you can look and find studies that it's causing tumors in women's brains... and that it breaks down when exposed to heat in to formaldehyde and other noxious chemicals, was just a wonderful benefit for the soldiers in Desert Shield and Desert Storm as pallets and pallets of diet coke and pepsi were sitting on the tarmacs in the desert sun... follow the money, that's why it's not coming off the market anytime soon.
A dentist? Trying to scare people into consuming more sugar? I wonder if there's a dodgy conspiracy theory link there, too.
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A dentist? Trying to scare people into consuming more sugar? I wonder if there's a dodgy conspiracy theory link there, too.
I'm sure, once you get down to it, that everything's a conspiracy. Invest in tin futures now.
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