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Dumbing down coffee

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/ar...ky-coffee.html

Seriously. If you can't cope with ordering an 'espresso' or 'cappuccino', you really should stick to drinking tea.
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Old 31.10.2012, 10:55
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Re: Dumbing down coffee

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Seriously. If you can't cope with ordering an 'espresso' or 'cappuccino', you really should stick to drinking tea.
I don't know,

Asking for a milky coffee sounds better than asking for a Lar-ay like what they do down in Essex.
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Seriously. If you can't cope with ordering an 'espresso' or 'cappuccino', you really should stick to drinking tea.
I actually think it's a great idea. Coffee fashions have changed so much, and often so quickly, over teh last few years that it's difficult to keep up with all the new varieties on trendy coffee-house menus. I find it really difficult sometimes in different countries to get just a coffee. Here in CH I drink "Kaffee normal" but in France it has to be an expresso which is smaller or a Grand café which is larger. In Italy an espresso is tiny, so I need to get a Lungo, or sometimes even an Americano, whereas an Americano in Budapest (was there the other weekend) is watered down to about double the volume.

So why not avoid this confusion by using a simple, understandable wherever you're from and whatever you're used to, naming convention like the one adopted there?
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Seriously. If you can't cope with ordering an 'espresso' or 'cappuccino', you really should stick to drinking tea.
Personally, I find hot tea more confusing than coffee....
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How about ordering 'elephant poo coffee' or dumboso?

http://fz.com/content/thai-hotel-bre...-elephant-dung
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Old 31.10.2012, 11:06
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Seriously. If you can't cope with ordering an 'espresso' or 'cappuccino', you really should stick to drinking tea.
If you can't cope with reading a real newspaper, you really should stick to The Local
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I thoroughly approve. If you ask for a 'latte' in an English cafe, you might get a cafe latte or a latte macchiatto or something else completely, depending on who's serving you.

If you ask for an espresso at Leicester station, you'll be informed that "it's a really, really small coffee. Is that alright for you, duck?" And it will taste like squirrel poo.

Plain English is better than misinterpreted, badly pronounced fake Italian.

And while we're at it, they're 'toasties', not 'paninis' [sic]
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And while we're at it, they're 'toasties', not 'paninis' [sic]
If someone gave me a panini when I asked for a toastie, I'd ask for my money back. Just sayin'
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Re: Dumbing down coffee

Everyone's tastes are different, I assume that's why...I like ordering a Tallat in Barcelona, it's exactly how I like it but it's ordered differently everywhere else
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Old 31.10.2012, 11:27
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Re: Dumbing down coffee

And a large coffee is called a "large coffee" and not a Venti which is just silly.
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Re: Dumbing down coffee

I think companies like Keurig, Tassimo, etc have already dumbed-down coffee with their pre-portioned-cup coffee makers. Just plop it in, fill with water, push the button, and poof- coffee!
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If you can't cope with reading a real newspaper, you really should stick to The Local
The Daily Mail is my guilty pleasure.

You never read stories like this in the WSJ.
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I think companies like Keurig, Tassimo, etc have already dumbed-down coffee with their pre-portioned-cup coffee makers. Just plop it in, fill with water, push the button, and poof- coffee!
I'm not asking for a poof-coffee either!
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And a large coffee is called a "large coffee" and not a Venti which is just silly.

I don't have any issues with changing the sizing language - I always ask for a small cappuccino (or whatever) or a small Big Mac menu (just joshin' with you Tom) - but I am with VI on the renaming coffee types.

Although one could argue that the Italians don't have the monopoly coffee naming, terms like espresso, cappuccino, latte macchiato all have "standards" which describe a particular mix/make-up of the content, a little like champagne, mozzarella, cheddar, stilton, etc. so I do think these should remain.


Besides, I am of the opinion, like VI, that if people can’t cope with run-of-the-mill coffee orders they really shouldn’t be out in society. And for the record, I have no idea about what other options there are in any coffee house, as my tastes are limited to coffee with various amounts of milk/foam, so am usually able to make a decision without too much difficulty.
Besides, any real coffee house will not ask you what size coffee (mug/cup) you want (see my earlier comment about "standards").


But as ever it is more dumbing down to suit the lowest common denominator. Let's see how long this unfortunate "trend" lasts - it might take off elsewhere or simply be limited to the clientelle who frequent Debenhams for their coffee.

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You never read stories like this in the WSJ.
Whilst drinking your very very milky coffee, right?
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Sense at last.

Just leave all the silly names and combinations to the starbucking yanks.
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Re: Dumbing down coffee

Tea, pint pot, six with milk please.

Simple enough really.




* No need to mention strong or hot. It's obvious, innit.
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Re: Dumbing down coffee

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So why not avoid this confusion by using a simple, understandable wherever you're from and whatever you're used to, naming convention like the one adopted there?
Because Debenhams aren't reinventing coffee and forcing a global standard. They're simply taking existing drinks and renaming them.

So a "shot of strong coffee" is whatever they sold before as an "espresso". And a "frothy coffee" was a "cappuccino". So nothing has changed, there is no standardisation and I'm not sure how many foreigners would prefer to see "a strong shot of coffee" over "espresso" on the menu.
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And a large coffee is called a "large coffee" and not a Venti which is just silly.
Someone else mentioned 'Venti' or perhaps it was in the article. Never heard of it before; what's it supposed to be?
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Although one could argue that the Italians don't have the monopoly coffee naming, terms like espresso, cappuccino, latte macchiato all have "standards" which describe a particular mix/make-up of the content, a little like champagne, mozzarella, cheddar, stilton, etc. so I do think these should remain.
The problem is, though, that very few cafe staff (or their managers) in England actually know these standards. Capuccino, as often as not, comes out of a packet; cafe latte and latte macchiatto are interchangeable terms to the point of meaningless; an espresso can be anything from a demitasse-full to a teacup-full.

I'd say it's more honest just to describe the coffees in plain English than pretend you understand Italian and serve up a coffee that bears hardly any relation to the kind of thing with the same name you'd get in an Italian cafe.

There's a reason why 'French soft white cheese' isn't called Feta...
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Sense at last.

Just leave all the silly names and combinations to the starbucking yanks.


Right. I'll correct the Italians next time I'm over then, shall I?

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The problem is, though, that very few cafe staff (or their managers) in England actually know these standards. Capuccino, as often as not, comes out of a packet; cafe latte and latte macchiatto are interchangeable terms to the point of meaningless; an espresso can be anything from a demitasse-full to a teacup-full.

I'd say it's more honest just to describe the coffees in plain English than pretend you understand Italian and serve up a coffee that bears hardly any relation to the kind of thing with the same name you'd get in an Italian cafe.

There's a reason why 'French soft white cheese' isn't called Feta...
So, your argument is based on the type of establishment where you get your coffee from?

When I go for my coffee, I tend to try and pick somewhere I think they know what they are doing (easily done by checking what kind of machine they have to make the coffee).

Although I take your point - have you ever ordered a capuccino in France?
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