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WTF do you think Swiss cows eat?

Just buy Swiss butter and you'll be getting butter made from milk from grass-fed cows.

That's quite an ignorant comment but then again I think you just want to insult people rather than contribute to a conversation.

Cows can be fed grain or feed made from soya.

I don't really want any of that and would prefer to have dairy products from cows fed with grass (as much as possible).

It's a personal preference but thanks for just jumping in and slaggin me off, you're a real treat.
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Old 27.09.2013, 10:25
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That's quite an ignorant comment but then again I think you just want to insult people rather than contribute to a conversation.
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Hardly ignorant - I gave you a link which explains what Swiss cows eat and included information about the two major brands of butter - which are sold at Migros and Coop.

Which is the information which you requested.

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Cows can be fed grain or feed made from soya.
Or, grass. But I think that's been mentioned a few times.

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Cows can be fed grain or feed made from soya.
I don't really want any of that and would prefer to have dairy products from cows fed with grass (as much as possible).
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You can, as I explained.


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It's a personal preference but thanks for just jumping in and slaggin me off, you're a real treat.
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I used an exclamation of surprise. That's not the same as slagging people off.

Calling someone ignorant is.

I've got dairy farmers in the family - with grass-fed cows - have you?
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Re: Butter from grass fed cattle

Oh heavens above.

If you want to spend your time on a line-byline deconstruction of everything I wrote while being offended by it all then congrats on being so successful that you have so much time on your hands.

Can you point me to where I called you ignorant? I said your comment was ignorant but you read it how you wanted to read it so you could feign being offended.

Also, I didn't know that having family members in certain industries or jobs automatically made someone an expert in that field. I need to update my CV.

By the way, I do indeed have dairy farmers in my family. They feed their cows a mix of feeds, which is why I asked for a brand in the supermarkets that met my preference.

I would however like to thank you for the link you provided, which did indeed give me a great deal of info. Your use of WTF implies some idiocy on my part which I don't care for.

I won't get drawn into a game of forum tennis so thanks again for your link but please don't act so innocent, you knew how using WTF would be received.

Have a wonderful day.
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Old 27.09.2013, 11:06
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Also, I didn't know that having family members in certain industries or jobs automatically made someone an expert in that field. I need to update my CV.

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We're not talking quantum physics here. We're talking about what cows eat.
Even my two year old has some idea.

"Most" cows eat a percentage of grain/soya in the winter as grass isn't available - even Organic Swiss cows eat about 10% grain/soya feed.

The cows that produce the milk for the Irish Kerrygold butter also are not totally grass-fed and eat 10% feed too.

Anchor butter from New Zealand is 100% grass-fed but then you're importing butter from the other side of the world.
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Normally Swiss farm houses are tidy and clean, but this place is wreckaged ( spelling ?) . It is certainly different than cattle in the wide open spaces of Texas, but it seems excessive to keep them pinned up year round.

Mind you, he may let them out early in morning, or a time I am not there, so I would not want to falsely accuse anyone. However, I'll pay attention and report him, if necessary.

Or you could...you know...mind your own business and not take it upon yourself to start spying on the cow-related practices of farmers.
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Re: Butter from grass fed cattle

Only here could people end up arguing about what cows eat, and throwing insults as a result
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Re: Butter from grass fed cattle

We are emulating the native swiss, by taking our dairy products far too seriously.

It helps the integration, which in turn helps us get the mythical holy grail that is, the red passport.
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Old 27.09.2013, 11:44
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Only here could people end up arguing about what cows eat, and throwing insults as a result
My opinion is that some people on this forum do not take food seriously enough and give it the respect it deserves.

So, I think it's good to talk about it.

I don't think anyone's been particularly insulting.
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Re: Butter from grass fed cattle

As others have mentioned, cows grazing in the mountains eat more grass so that's the way to go if you want grass-fed cows' milk.

I found a statistic for this:

In the Swiss valleys -About 50 percent of the farms feed more than 80 percent grass.

In the mountain zone 3, more than 80 percent of the farms feed more than 80 percent grass.

From Swiss Farmer magazine
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My opinion is that some people on this forum do not take food seriously enough and give it the respect it deserves.

So, I think it's good to talk about it.

I don't think anyone's been particularly insulting.
Agreed.

But, debating the grass/grain ratio of a cows annual diet, insisting on only 100%, and using that as a yardstick from which we determine the quality of the butter produced seems a tad overkill.
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Agreed.

But, debating the grass/grain ratio of a cows annual diet, insisting on only 100%, and using that as a yardstick from which we determine the quality of the butter produced seems a tad overkill.
I agree with you there.

It wasn't me asking for the 100% grass-fed cow as it can't exist in Switzerland.
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I agree with you there.

It wasn't me asking for the 100% grass-fed cow as it can't exist in Switzerland.
Apologies, that wasnt directed at you. Just a general statement on the state of EF these days
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What brand of butter should I look for instead of Kerrygold?

I know Kerrygold is difficult to find in Switzerland. I'm looking for some good quality grass-fed butter! Gold butter, not white. For those of you who love Kerrygold, what brands in Switzerland are similar?

I am moving from Russia and they just started getting Kerrygold here. It was the closest thing I could get to the butter I used to get from my Amish farmer in the U.S.

I'll be living in Luzern so if you can recommend a farmer I can buy butter from even better.

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Re: What brand of butter should I look for instead of Kerrygold?

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I know Kerrygold is difficult to find in Switzerland. I'm looking for some good quality grass-fed butter!
Butter from grass fed cattle

I'll merge this post into that thread as well.
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I know Kerrygold is difficult to find in Switzerland. I'm looking for some good quality grass-fed butter! Gold butter, not white. For those of you who love Kerrygold, what brands in Switzerland are similar?

I am moving from Russia and they just started getting Kerrygold here. It was the closest thing I could get to the butter I used to get from my Amish farmer in the U.S.

I'll be living in Luzern so if you can recommend a farmer I can buy butter from even better.

TIA
Find a local dairy ("Molkerei") and ask someone behind the counter for advice. Don't get hung up on color or what-the-cows-eat-and-when if your priority is flavor: ask them what their tastiest butter is and start with that. Their idea of tasty isn't that much different from yours so you won't go far wrong this way.

Or do what I did when I moved here: buy the cheap butter first, see what that's like. Next time buy another brand, and then another one, until you find what you like. It's not ridiculously expensive to do this over a period of several months, and you can always use the un-preferred butter for cooking. (I'm a bit of a tightwad so I buy cheap butter for cooking anyway, and save the fancy stuff for a treat where its flavor can really be appreciated.)

Oh, and try some cultured (French-style) butter too. It's a bit tangy, sort of yogurty-tasting, can put you off a bit if you're not expecting that but I love it.
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Re: What brand of butter should I look for instead of Kerrygold?

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Don't get hung up on color or what-the-cows-eat-and-when if your priority is flavor
To be fair, the only thing specified by the poster was that the butter be from cows that are grass fed, nothing about looking for a particular flavour.

I buy the Pro Montagna from Coop when I have no Kerrygold left.
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Re: What brand of butter should I look for instead of Kerrygold?

Sometimes grass-fed cow butter is preferred because the milk produced from these cows has a better ratio of Omega-3 & Omega-6.

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Find a local dairy ("Molkerei") and ask someone behind the counter for advice. Don't get hung up on color or what-the-cows-eat-and-when if your priority is flavor: ask them what their tastiest butter is and start with that. Their idea of tasty isn't that much different from yours so you won't go far wrong this way.

Or do what I did when I moved here: buy the cheap butter first, see what that's like. Next time buy another brand, and then another one, until you find what you like. It's not ridiculously expensive to do this over a period of several months, and you can always use the un-preferred butter for cooking. (I'm a bit of a tightwad so I buy cheap butter for cooking anyway, and save the fancy stuff for a treat where its flavor can really be appreciated.)

Oh, and try some cultured (French-style) butter too. It's a bit tangy, sort of yogurty-tasting, can put you off a bit if you're not expecting that but I love it.
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Re: Butter from grass fed cattle

Grass fed milk and reap milk products are healthier than corn fed cow milk. as lou mentions higher content of omega fatty acids and vitamin K and other vital elements.
Grain fed milk contains phytates which hinder the absorption of certain trace elements.

most of the cows here in switzerland are grain/ pellet fed except in summers where they are left to graze on pastures.
the hay that the farmers made is not necessarily used only to feed the cows ( remember the reason of mad cow disease ?)
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As others have mentioned, cows grazing in the mountains eat more grass so that's the way to go if you want grass-fed cows' milk.

I found a statistic for this:

In the Swiss valleys -About 50 percent of the farms feed more than 80 percent grass.

In the mountain zone 3, more than 80 percent of the farms feed more than 80 percent grass.

From Swiss Farmer magazine

Thanks for that link, I couldn't find the thanks button!

Personally I think the American style alternative health market making forces are at play here making people think it's either a do or die kind of mentality that screams too much into our faces. In other words all this grass fed marketing stuff simply feeds into the belief system and health scare mongering that helps to build their business models.

As the author Michael Pollan says “Eat food. Not too much. Mostly plants.” and “If you’re concerned about your health, you should probably avoid products that make health claims. Why? Because a health claim on a food product is a strong indication it’s not really food, and food is what you want to eat”
― Michael Pollan, In Defense of Food:

Personally I prefer real, fresh food. If the cows eat grass for the majority of the year I'm happy as I'm sure they they will be too.

I've had some fantastic local butter from farmers in my area but haven't found a good tasting reasonably priced butter at the big supermarkets. COOP is jumping on the bandwagon and offering BIO ghee or Bio butter for almost triple the price from across the border.

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Personally I think the American style alternative health market making forces are at play here making people think it's either a do or die kind of mentality that screams too much into our faces. In other words all this grass fed marketing stuff simply feeds into the belief system and health scare mongering that helps to build their business models.
This is it, in a nutshell.

I'm surprised the rest of us haven't dropped dead.
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