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Personally I think the American style alternative health market making forces are at play here making people think it's either a do or die kind of mentality that screams too much into our faces. In other words all this grass fed marketing stuff simply feeds into the belief system and health scare mongering that helps to build their business models.
That's it. Wanting to eat butter from animals fed with entirely natural feed is totally alternative.

We are nutcases.
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Old 06.05.2014, 23:13
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That's it. Wanting to eat butter from animals fed with entirely natural feed is totally alternative.

We are nutcases.
Then you're in the wrong country. As I wrote earlier on the thread - New Zealand's where it's at.

Your reasoning behind your desire might be, in your eyes, 'alternative'. But probably not alternative at all if you think about.
Jumping on the current trendy bandwagon isn't exactly alternative, is it?

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Thanks for that link, I couldn't find the thanks button!

Personally I think the American style alternative health market making forces are at play here making people think it's either a do or die kind of mentality that screams too much into our faces. In other words all this grass fed marketing stuff simply feeds into the belief system and health scare mongering that helps to build their business models.

As the author Michael Pollan says “Eat food. Not too much. Mostly plants.” and “If you’re concerned about your health, you should probably avoid products that make health claims. Why? Because a health claim on a food product is a strong indication it’s not really food, and food is what you want to eat”
― Michael Pollan, In Defense of Food:

Personally I prefer real, fresh food. If the cows eat grass for the majority of the year I'm happy as I'm sure they they will be too.

I've had some fantastic local butter from farmers in my area but haven't found a good tasting reasonably priced butter at the big supermarkets. COOP is jumping on the bandwagon and offering BIO ghee or Bio butter for almost triple the price from across the border.
you realise don't you that 90+ percent of the farming in the us is subjecting animals to the most degrading degenerate conditions. they are only able to sustain this with excessive amounts of antibiotics, hormones,
and other chemicals. a small, very small portion of the population cares about this and you focus on this in a negative way rather than the 90+ percent abomination.

some people just need to keep in mind 'lend a hand or get out of the way'
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Old 06.05.2014, 23:18
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you realise don't you that 90+ percent of the farming in the us is subjecting animals to the most degrading degenerate conditions. they are only able to sustain this with excessive amounts of antibiotics, hormones,
and other chemicals. a small, very small portion of the population cares about this and you focus on this in a negative way rather than the 90+ percent abomination.
Which is the complete opposite of the way farming is in Switzerland.

May be some of those on this thread ought to get out into the Swiss countryside and see some cows.
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Which is the complete opposite of the way farming is in Switzerland.

May be some of those on this thread ought to get out into the Swiss countryside and see some cows.
the ones around my area also seem to hang out inside most of the time, but they are not bio (their horns are off) they look happy enough but id rather see them in the fields more, lying around, chomping on grass and their cud.
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you realise don't you that 90+ percent of the farming in the us is subjecting animals to the most degrading degenerate conditions. they are only able to sustain this with excessive amounts of antibiotics, hormones,
and other chemicals. a small, very small portion of the population cares about this and you focus on this in a negative way rather than the 90+ percent abomination.

some people just need to keep in mind 'lend a hand or get out of the way'
Yes but we are in Switzerland where farming practices are still much closer to my grandparents era. Being Canadian and having cousins who are working dairy farmers I know for fact that antibiotics and hormones are banned there and have been for a long time, yet sill allowed in America. My focus is not negative, quite the contrary it highlights many good things about our food sources right here in Switzerland and Europe. I would never buy American beef and I'm quite perplexed as too why anyone would even consider it to be of superior quality knowing what I know about how the animals are treated there.
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Re: Butter from grass fed cattle

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Not sure of the brand but you can check in bioladen shop.
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If someone wants milk from a year-round grass fed cow then they won't get it in Switzerland because of the climate and harsh winters (as Psari has written).
That is just wrong, they can feed on hay, which is dried grass and nothing more.
Silage is not the same as hay. For "Appenzeller" cheese for example, the cows are only allowed fresh grass or hay, not silage. Don't know if that includes corn though, didn't ask, think not.

Info from the farmer who rents my familys land to make Appenzeller ;-)
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That is just wrong, they can feed on hay, which is dried grass and nothing more.
Silage is not the same as hay. For "Appenzeller" cheese for example, the cows are only allowed fresh grass or hay, not silage. Don't know if that includes corn though, didn't ask, think not.

Info from the farmer who rents my familys land to make Appenzeller ;-)
However, two points:
  • I'm not sure that the OP would consider hay as fresh grass and thus be allowed under their definition of grass-fed cows.

    And, more importantly:
  • I appreciate that cows whose milk is used to make Appenzeller are fed exclusively hay or fresh grass but that doesn't equate to that milk also being used to make a cheaper commodity like butter.

Good points of yours though

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Re: Butter from grass fed cattle

Just a heads up that Denner has started stocking IP Suisse products, which includes Wiesenmilch Butter, aka grass-fed butter. They are giving 20% off for the launch of the product range, but not sure until when.
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Just a heads up that Denner has started stocking IP Suisse products, which includes Wiesenmilch Butter, aka grass-fed butter.
I had to look it up, but it appears that "wiesenmilch" is no more grass feed than any other Alpine milk, relying on other feeds 'during the non-grazing season'.
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Re: Butter from grass fed cattle

If it isn't salted, I'm not interested.

I'm getting Kerrygold from Germany, the Swiss salted butter is ridiculously expensive.
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If it isn't salted, I'm not interested.

I'm getting Kerrygold from Germany, the Swiss salted butter is ridiculously expensive.
I've been here too long. I now find salted butter far too salty.
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That is just wrong, they can feed on hay, which is dried grass and nothing more.
Silage is not the same as hay. For "Appenzeller" cheese for example, the cows are only allowed fresh grass or hay, not silage. Don't know if that includes corn though, didn't ask, think not.

Info from the farmer who rents my familys land to make Appenzeller ;-)
Same for Gruyères. Same for Wiesemilch - they have to be hay fed in winter, and NOT sillage.

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If it isn't salted, I'm not interested.



I'm getting Kerrygold from Germany, the Swiss salted butter is ridiculously expensive.

This. My wife just returned from a day trip to France and brought back salted butter.

We've even considered salting the butter ourself out of desperation. At least some of the margarines are salted and reasonably priced.
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Same for Gruyères. Same for Wiesemilch - they have to be hay fed in winter, and NOT sillage.
Whats wrong with silage? Silage is simply the entire green plant being harvested, not only the grain and then fermented in the silo
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Same for Gruyères. Same for Wiesemilch - they have to be hay fed in winter, and NOT sillage.
Not so, according to the aforementioned producer. Maize feed and silage are also used. http://www.ipsuisse.ch/Web/Wiesenmilch_id63?lang=2
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Whats wrong with silage? Silage is simply the entire green plant being harvested, not only the grain and then fermented in the silo
Usually with the addition of phosphoric acid.....

(same as they put in Coca cola by the way)
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Re: Butter from grass fed cattle

My wife is from Norway and always complained about the butter being unsalted here.

I never really noticed until I tried real salted butter in Norway and the UK and found it pretty good compared to the butter you find in restaurants and cafes here.

I guess if we get desperate we can always salt our own butter or maybe find some nice bio salted butter from a farmer perhaps.
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Whats wrong with silage? Silage is simply the entire green plant being harvested, not only the grain and then fermented in the silo
Don't ask me- I do not set the rules for AOC Gruyères.
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