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Migros is still my preferred store, although I have to say that Lidl and Aldi have improved their offer a lot in the past few years. I'm often pleasantly surprised.
I think that German stores are superior in terms of quality, service and price to any Swiss store. The German Lidl is better than Swiss Lidl which in turn is better than Migros/Coop. Aldi Switzerland is not so good, at least compared to Lidl. Probably they adopted the local culture.
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I think that German stores are superior in terms of quality, service and price to any Swiss store. The German Lidl is better than Swiss Lidl which in turn is better than Migros/Coop. Aldi Switzerland is not so good, at least compared to Lidl. Probably they adopted the local culture.
German food and wine suck, as does the beer.

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German food and wine suck, as does the beer.

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I cannot tell apart one beer/wine from another as I don't drink. As for the food you probably mean the German blueberries and oranges.

Why don't you tell this to the mass of people assaulting the German stores on weekends. Or maybe to the empty migros not far away from the borders. Cheers.
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Chirat has a new line of seasoned cornichons (6) - of note is a cayenne pepper one & sweet & sour. Both are delicious

Others include:

Garlic
Carmelized Onions
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Sundried tomatoes
Oh wow, sounds great. Where did you see these?
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As for the food you probably mean the German blueberries and oranges.
No, I am thinking more meats and dairy products.

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Why don't you tell this to the mass of people assaulting the German stores on weekends.
That has nothing to do with quality. Rather just quantity/price.
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No, I am thinking more meats and dairy products.

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Do you even eat anything else? Sometimes?

Mike - German self picked blueberries are awesome.
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Re: Favorite Switzerland grocery store foods

I have left Switzerland two years ago and I can say that I miss the mountains, the lakes, all the outdoor sport opportunities... the people? Not so much. I like specific parts of the Swiss culture while others are outright annoying. In all honesty: Shopping in Switzerland including but not limited to groceries is about the last thing I miss. Not just the price, the selection is outright terrible, the opening times are a hassle and overall did I always have the feeling that I am supposed to feel honored to be allowed to shop and trouble an employee with my wish to spend money... its literally the least fun place I have ever been to go to a shop of any kind.



I go to Germany for cheap products, especially staples. And France for superior quality and selection in vegetables, sea food and anything fresh. The only distinctively Swiss thing I buy is cheese... and that is available all over the world.
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I have left Switzerland two years ago and I can say that I miss the mountains, the lakes, all the outdoor sport opportunities... the people? Not so much. I like specific parts of the Swiss culture while others are outright annoying. In all honesty: Shopping in Switzerland including but not limited to groceries is about the last thing I miss. Not just the price, the selection is outright terrible, the opening times are a hassle and overall did I always have the feeling that I am supposed to feel honored to be allowed to shop and trouble an employee with my wish to spend money... its literally the least fun place I have ever been to go to a shop of any kind.



I go to Germany for cheap products, especially staples. And France for superior quality and selection in vegetables, sea food and anything fresh. The only distinctively Swiss thing I buy is cheese... and that is available all over the world.
That's the thing - who needs selection when that one gruyere that's in my shop is just divine.

I was thinking about it the other day when a waiter with a terrible service skills but awesome humor entertained.

What is better - an overkill service knowing they are only in it for your cash or whatever service while one knows they really are not after our small cash. I think I found a different definition of customer service, we think it is bad but it might just not simply be over the top. It is kinda genuine. Their standards that we do not know sometimes. Not being rushed, their own stress management. Even if it makes you grind your teeth. I have a hard time adjusting in the US, tbh.

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I think that German stores are superior in terms of quality, service and price to any Swiss store. The German Lidl is better than Swiss Lidl which in turn is better than Migros/Coop. Aldi Switzerland is not so good, at least compared to Lidl. Probably they adopted the local culture.



1) German stores are usually bigger so probably carry more product ranges so therefore, in your opinion this makes them better; it is not really the case.



2) When you shop in Switzerland then one day go to a different country you always think it is better......grass is greener on other side of fence syndrome...


3) German stores are cheaper for a lot of things so this confuses people into thinking they are better; they are not, they're cheaper
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1) German stores are usually bigger so probably carry more product ranges so therefore, in your opinion this makes them better; it is not really the case.

2) When you shop in Switzerland then one day go to a different country you always think it is better......grass is greener on other side of fence syndrome...

3) German stores are cheaper for a lot of things so this confuses people into thinking they are better; they are not, they're cheaper
I highly recommend you to cross the border into France and visit the nearest Grand Frais. You will see dozens of vegetables that arent imported from the opposite end of the world but are traditional European plants... which simply dont fit into the ten or so vegetables Migros offers to the standardized Swiss house wife. Because she might get confused if there is more than one type of eggplant on offer. Germany isnt quite as good as France at it but still lightyears better than Swiss supermarkets.


Its not a matter of the grass being greener as it literally doenst matter where you go in Europe - the selection will be bigger than in CH and the price will be significantly cheaper. That price difference has no valid reason in the salaries of real estate costs - these factors are single digit percentages of the cost of an item. You know what the actual issue is? Migros having a profit margin of over 40%, thats what. (https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/price-i...rgins/42977680) In plain English: Any consumer in CH is getting overcharged. A lot. The free market and laws of competition dont really work in a duopoly. I was hoping back in the day that Aldi and Lidl will shake things up - turns out they rather cash in on the record profits as well.
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I was hoping back in the day that Aldi and Lidl will shake things up - turns out they rather cash in on the record profits as well.
In a free-market, prices must come down with increased competition.

If they don't, the market isn't free and something unsavoury is going on behind the scenes....
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Re: Favorite Switzerland grocery store foods

Or customers simply don't care enough to go shop elsewhere. I don't think I talk much about groceries with my friends here. We ski. Climb. Do stuff. I wonder if consumerism and consumption isn't high on their list..or, if it is so expensive they just shop little, talk about it little. People eat less in here, too. Waste less?
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I highly recommend you to cross the border into France and visit the nearest Grand Frais. You will see dozens of vegetables that arent imported from the opposite end of the world but are traditional European plants... which simply dont fit into the ten or so vegetables Migros offers to the standardized Swiss house wife. Because she might get confused if there is more than one type of eggplant on offer. Germany isnt quite as good as France at it but still lightyears better than Swiss supermarkets.


Its not a matter of the grass being greener as it literally doenst matter where you go in Europe - the selection will be bigger than in CH and the price will be significantly cheaper. That price difference has no valid reason in the salaries of real estate costs - these factors are single digit percentages of the cost of an item. You know what the actual issue is? Migros having a profit margin of over 40%, thats what. (https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/price-i...rgins/42977680) In plain English: Any consumer in CH is getting overcharged. A lot. The free market and laws of competition dont really work in a duopoly. I was hoping back in the day that Aldi and Lidl will shake things up - turns out they rather cash in on the record profits as well.

The link is over 2 years old......since which Aldi and Lidl have hit the market harder forcing Coop/Migros to reduce prices and thus margin.


Not forgetting " However, the profit margins are much lower than the gross margins. As Coop spokesman Ramón Gander told the newspaper Baselland Zeitung on Monday, “At 1.7%, our profit margin is rather low in comparison to our international counterparts”. This can be attributed in part to Switzerland’s higher wages and retail space rents."


So a 40 % profit margin, really isn't true at all, that is the gross margin thy operate with
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That has nothing to do with quality. Rather just quantity/price.
Price is certainly part of the equation. However, it's not the only part.

Let's consider service - Migros. This is quite bad. If there is no self check-out it takes an eternity to pay and get out of the store. The cashier will be in no hurry and take long pauses between the clients. Or just come 15 minutes before closing - this time they'll hurry you so they can leave before closing.

Quality is not great, too. Limited range, they buy the cheapest groceries. Migros has the lowest quality fruits. They look bad and aren't fresh. You literally to sort out the bad apples.

Additionally Migros has its own range of products with no alternative from well known brands. The packages look cheap, the quality is bad and the price is high

Switzerland is a great country, there is no other country with the same life quality in Europe. However shopping here is from the last century. It is just how it is.
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......You know what the actual issue is? Migros having a profit margin of over 40%, thats what. (https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/price-i...rgins/42977680) ......
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The link is over 2 years old......since which Aldi and Lidl have hit the market harder forcing Coop/Migros to reduce prices and thus margin.


Not forgetting " However, the profit margins are much lower than the gross margins. As Coop spokesman Ramón Gander told the newspaper Baselland Zeitung on Monday, “At 1.7%, our profit margin is rather low in comparison to our international counterparts”. This can be attributed in part to Switzerland’s higher wages and retail space rents."


So a 40 % profit margin, really isn't true at all, that is the gross margin thy operate with
Right, and there was a rather large title in Treverus' link, announcing gross margins! Knowing about these business differences do help in such discussions.

Considering the costs of labour, real estate, electricity etc. etc. etc. (which by the way come off the gross margin before even heading for the profit margin) in the EU, REWE and Ruchan (or is it Auchan? Can't figure the writing out) are bloody expensive with gross margins of almost the height of Coop Switzerland.

As to the variety offered re vegetables: Yes, it is rather small here, Coop seems to be a bit better at it. And some Lidls are pretty groovy.
At the same time I wonder how much waste there is at the end of the day, if each shop offers three types of eggplants or what ever. I have not problem popping into the Turkish shop for the little pretty ones if that's what I'm after on that day.

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........... However shopping here is from the last century. It is just how it is.
I agree with you on this. However, the American way of having 20 brands of each thing (from cornflakes to God knows what) is - in my mind - the other extreme I'm not really keen on either.
Wonder why Switzerland hasn't found the "golden middle way" on this yet.
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Price is certainly part of the equation. However, it's not the only part.

Let's consider service - Migros. This is quite bad. If there is no self check-out it takes an eternity to pay and get out of the store. The cashier will be in no hurry and take long pauses between the clients. Or just come 15 minutes before closing - this time they'll hurry you so they can leave before closing.

Quality is not great, too. Limited range, they buy the cheapest groceries. Migros has the lowest quality fruits. They look bad and aren't fresh. You literally to sort out the bad apples.

Additionally Migros has its own range of products with no alternative from well known brands. The packages look cheap, the quality is bad and the price is high

Switzerland is a great country, there is no other country with the same life quality in Europe. However shopping here is from the last century. It is just how it is.
I agree. And it is because there are other things to invest in.

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I find it difficult to respect people who come to Switzerland for a better life but complain about the higher prices of groceries so they regularly go shopping in a border country instead.

Would they like to live in that border country? Usually not because salaries are lower.

It's like cheating on your partner.

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I find it difficult to respect people who come to Switzerland for a better life but complain about the higher prices of groceries so they regularly go shopping in a border country instead.

Would they like to live in that border country? Usually not because salaries are lower.

It's like cheating on your partner.

Keep Switzerland thriving: do most of your shopping local
I found it difficult to respect the "quality " of Swiss fruit and veg tbh. Plus better choices over the border. It wasn't about cost for us but variety. I didn't like the "one option" for many products. UK supermarkets are, on the whole, vastly superior to Swiss ones. Not to mention online shopping and easy cheap delivery. YMMV. IMO etc etc.
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I found it difficult to respect the "quality " of Swiss fruit and veg tbh. Plus better choices over the border. It wasn't about cost for us but variety. I didn't like the "one option" for many products. UK supermarkets are, on the whole, vastly superior to Swiss ones. Not to mention online shopping and easy cheap delivery. YMMV. IMO etc etc.
Rufus... could you give me an example of the quality you're referring to? Having shopped in different places, I really can't see that much difference except for, perhaps, in presentation.
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