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Halal meat in CH

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No prejudice here just a simple question, after the horrific animal abuse scandal regarding halal meat in the Uk halal slaughter house today I was wondering if halal meat is available here in CH and if so is it served in the Turkish kebab shops we all seem to have I'm the ZH area, I'm not a meat eater myself but know of a few people that would be deeply distressed if they should eat this, I know in CH it's wonderful regarding free range eggs and is very respectful of animals from what I've seen so any advice??
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Halal meat is available in France, but not here.
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Halal meat is available in France, but not here.
So the Turkish kebab shops cannot get it at all, there lamb is swiss meat then? I'm confused just want to clear things up :-)
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So the Turkish kebab shops cannot get it at all, there lamb is swiss meat then? I'm confused just want to clear things up :-)
Sbrinz is talking rubbish. I'd be very surprised if a kebab from a Turkish takeaway wasn't halal.
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Ok good to know then we can steer away from this kind of slaughtering of animals thanks
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Old 03.02.2015, 23:33
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Re: Halal meat in CH

DB, you know very well that slaughtering an animal without stunning is forbidden here. Halal meat has to be imported, usually from France, and I am sure your average Kebab shop will lie to you, but most of them use Swiss meat as the import tax is (I think) CHF 22 per Kilo, and therefore very expensive.

I was trying to spare the OP any bad feelings, she seems to be vegetarian.

To Hayleyjay: much of what you see on the Internet is very old, and even filmed outside Europe, the animal rights people like to bend the facts.

Old thread, but do you remember this witch in Geneva? COW slaughtering APOLOGY
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Re: Halal meat in CH

I enjoyed a delicious piece of halal meat for breakfast this morning.

Stop misleading the OP.
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Re: Halal meat in CH

Yes!!! I am vegetarian but been for 27 years don't want to preach or force my opinions on anybody else but as all over UK news today was coverage of a vile UK slaughter house with staff kicking punching and stamping on animals faces killing sheep in front of each other it made me sick, then to be killed halal style so with a talk to close meat eating friends and my fiancé I wanted to be a little clearer to see if CH has rules against this kind of cruelty saddens me as slaughter could be done a lot more humane stunning!!!
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Re: Halal meat in CH

Hayleyjay, DB is well known for winding people up, especially late evening.... ignore him and ask your Swiss butcher if Halal meat is available here.
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Re: Halal meat in CH

Here's a far from exhaustive list of halal restaurants and takeaways in Zurich:http://www.zabihah.com/sub/Switzerla...ich/h3HJn5p4sL

What were you saying, Sbrinz?
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Re: Halal meat in CH

Ritual slaughter for kosher/halal meat has been banned from many years in switzerland, but import is allowed. I don't think döner kebab meat is halal, they even find pork in it sometimes, and most of the halal labeled meat is probably not halal (even coop admitted it). After all kebab is turkish and they drink alcohol too so i don't think they care that much about these things.
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Re: Halal meat in CH

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I am saying you are wrong, and you enjoy teasing people. School holidays this week, some extra time on your hands?

Halal slaughter of animals is forbidden here, you know that DB! So why confuse the situation, especially when Hayleyjay is obviously distressed! Yes you can buy imported meat here, that claims to be Halal, but it probably isn't, and dead animals can't talk!

Looking at the history of the horse meat scandals in Europe, and how meat was exported to Rumania and then back to Benelux and sold as beef, you cannot believe anything really.

Except your common sense: you cannot import a ton of meat without it being inspected at the border, and the import duty is over CHF 20 per Kilo, making imported meat expensive. But profit can be made,and untruthful dealers in meat will be sorely tempted to use Swiss meat, adding CHF 20 to every kilo, and claiming it to be Halal. How can an expert tell the difference? They cannot!
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Sbrinz, let me remind you the horse meat scandal: horse meat was sold by a Romanian company correctly labeled as horse meat and nothing else to a Dutch company, who sold it to a Cypriot company, who sold it to a French company (namely Spanghero), who sold it to a company from Luxembourg that made the famous lasagna which reached UK....The French were the first to point a finger at Romania pretending they had no idea it was horse meat and not beef meat , but ulterior controls at those companies proved they sold horse meat with documents.
Let's remember of a recent scandal right here in CH, I don't remember the name of the metzgerei who sold "beaf" steaks.
Plus, in the horse meat scandal there were another countries that also exported horse meat, e.g. Poland. At least German officials specifically asked the tabloids to not rush to incriminate the Eastern countries.
Everything has been documented but I can't be bothered with links.
The European Comissioner for Health Tonio Borg stated very clearly that Romania was not the source of fraud. Not that it counts anymore , however...
http://www.agerpres.ro/english/2013/...andal-18-43-39

As for your "How can you tell the difference?"...well, hopefully not all companies will sell normal meat as halal. I want to believe that, in general, people in this branch respect the rules...

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Halal meat is available in France, but not here.

Halal meat indeed IS available in Turkish butcheries and in Arab and Turkish Restaurants. As Kebab is done from Halal Lamb and Halal Beef, The meat is imported from the slaughterhouse in Besançon, and is under control of the Haut-Rabbinat de Paris whenever owned by the French Republic


And I do not speak about some Kilos but about TONS


Swiss customs law allows the Import of Halal meat, Swiss law however prohibits Halal slaughterin

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So the Turkish kebab shops cannot get it at all, there lamb is swiss meat then? I'm confused just want to clear things up :-)

Sure not, but the HAlal lamb is imported from Besançon --- and is imported by the tons

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DB, you know very well that slaughtering an animal without stunning is forbidden here. Halal meat has to be imported, usually from France, and I am sure your average Kebab shop will lie to you, but most of them use Swiss meat as the import tax is (I think) CHF 22 per Kilo, and therefore very expensive.

I was trying to spare the OP any bad feelings, she seems to be vegetarian.

To Hayleyjay: much of what you see on the Internet is very old, and even filmed outside Europe, the animal rights people like to bend the facts.

Old thread, but do you remember this witch in Geneva? COW slaughtering APOLOGY


THIS is why the cheaper range of Turkish "Food places" uses Poulet. Look at the Price list and then you see that real Food is more expensive per 100 grams than junk

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Hayleyjay, DB is well known for winding people up, especially late evening.... ignore him and ask your Swiss butcher if Halal meat is available here.

Again, any serious butcher will tell you that Halal meat of course IS available here ! And if honest he will confirm that lots of meat is imported from various places. Would all the Beef available come from Swiss cows, there would not be any cows in evidence.

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Ritual slaughter for kosher/halal meat has been banned from many years in switzerland, but import is allowed. I don't think döner kebab meat is halal, they even find pork in it sometimes, and most of the halal labeled meat is probably not halal (even coop admitted it). After all kebab is turkish and they drink alcohol too so i don't think they care that much about these things.

Döner Kebab / Shawarma Kebab ought to be Halal, but non Halal is not yet prohibited by law and so happens, except that it may constitute an act of MIS-labelling and IRREFUEHRUNG which IS a criminal offence.


The COOP Speaker talked rubbish as it depends on how strictly things are interpreted. Lots of Halal sausages contain minor pork products so that yes 100% Halal is rare but NOT the^idea

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Re: Halal meat in CH

DB is right, you can buy Halal meat in Switzerland even though the slaughter without stunning first is illegal in Switzerland.
There are a couple of small Halal butchers even in Neuchatel and a recently opened Indian/Pakistani restaurant/takeaway which has HALAL in big letters across the windows. As Wolli says it's generally imported from France.

There are some unscrupulous butchers who will try to pass off any old meat as Halal ( recent case in Zurich for example) but most of them don't as they are Muslins themselves and respect their faith.
There are a lot of Muslims in Switzerland and they can't all go trotting over the border to buy it so there are importers who do it in bulk and the meat is then sold here. It doesn't seem to be any more expensive than non a Halal meat in Switzerland.

A Muslim friend used to go to Pontarlier to buy his meat but given the hassles with customs allowances etc he now goes to Lausanne to buy it.

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If importing halal meat is so expensive, then why is the halal lamb in my local Turkish supermarket so cheap?
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DB is right, you can buy Halal meat in Switzerland even though the slaughter without stunning first is illegal in Switzerland....
There is a myth believed by many Muslims that stunning kills the animal, and for that reason stunning before slaughter is non-halal. Compare and contrast with animal rightists' belief that stunning is bad because it doesn't make the animal insensible before slaughter.
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DB, you know very well that slaughtering an animal without stunning is forbidden here. Halal meat has to be imported, usually from France, and I am sure your average Kebab shop will lie to you, but most of them use Swiss meat as the import tax is (I think) CHF 22 per Kilo, and therefore very expensive.

I was trying to spare the OP any bad feelings, she seems to be vegetarian.

To Hayleyjay: much of what you see on the Internet is very old, and even filmed outside Europe, the animal rights people like to bend the facts.

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If importing halal meat is so expensive, then why is the halal lamb in my local Turkish supermarket so cheap?
If a company wants to import meat (or any other product) in large quantities, the import duty is much less. Cheese imported from the EU for example has zero duty imported commercially. (I don't actually know what the amount will be for meat but I suspect it might also be zero).
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Re: Halal meat in CH

Well thankyou all ,,,, interesting. It's something as animal lovers we feel strongly about and disagree with. Upsetting that an animal can be killed without stunning first my fiancé eats meat but not halal but enjoys kebab now and again just wanted to make sure we ' mistakenly ' didn't buy one. The recent horrific acts in the Yorkshire slaughter house turns my stomach, I know not all slaughterhouses are like this, but I do believe it should be done more humanely with a vet present and CCTV a MUST
So with your answers in mind to be sure we will avoid the kebab houses and make our own

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Yorkshire slaughter house, I know not all slaughterhouses are like this,
indeed, what barbaric cruelty, these people are true savages
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all over UK news today was coverage of a vile UK slaughter house with staff kicking punching and stamping on animals faces killing sheep in front of each other it made me sick, then to be killed halal style so with a talk to close meat eating friends and my fiancé I wanted to be a little clearer to see if CH has rules against this kind of cruelty
UK has rules against this kind of cruelty too. Despite your initial claims, I think you're showing an awful lot of prejuduce.

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Hayleyjay, DB is well known for winding people up, especially late evening.... ignore him and ask your Swiss butcher if Halal meat is available here.
He disagrees with your claim that halal meat is not available in Switzerland, when it clearly is.

Ask your local Swiss Pferdmetzgerei about flogging dead horses.
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