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Paleo is a good template to follow but I think they slighty restrict some foods for unjustified reasons.

Just because our ancestors didn't eat a certain type of food doesn't mean we are not biologically able to digest correctly. I do like the template they have given out but I do think there is a lack of necesarry carbs, and also I don't totally agree with the amount of fruit as all fruit is is essentially water and sucrose (sugar), so unless you working out and have depleted liver sugar levels then a vegtable is always a far better choice nutritionally.
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Paleo is a good template to follow but I think they slighty restrict some foods for unjustified reasons.
TBF though, there's little or no justification for any of it.
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Old 06.07.2015, 12:32
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TBF though, there's little or no justification for any of it.
I mean the idea behind eating whole foods as opposed to processed is a winner. And definetly better than all fad 'liquid diets' which a) don't work long term and b) are extremely unhealthy

I think paleo and bulletproof are the two diets I would actually agree with most of the dietary advice given.
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I mean the idea behind eating whole foods as opposed to processed is a winner.
Actually that's not altogether true either. Sure, a lot of "processed" foods tend to be higher in sugar or salt than is currently thought of as a good idea, but there's an almost universally accepted idea that somehow "processing" removes anything good from foods, which is basically a lot of nonsense.

After all, most of the food I eat is processed, by me. It's called cooking.
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Actually that's not altogether true either. Sure, a lot of "processed" foods tend to be higher in sugar or salt than is currently thought of as a good idea, but there's an almost universally accepted idea that somehow "processing" removes anything good from foods, which is basically a lot of nonsense.

After all, most of the food I eat is processed, by me. It's called cooking.
Well I mean when people reference 'processed' it generally refers to meats, cheese, cereal, etc. That tends to be why they provide example foods in the Do's and Do Not's.

The reason most processed foods are bad can generally relate back to enzymes, so if you take out the enzymes or damage the enzymes in certain whole foods it damages the body's ability to digest that food. So in terms of digestive health it's a lot cleaner to eat whole foods. But again examples such as 'Almond Butter' can be classed as processed but that isn't what is being referred to by the term in most diets.
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The reason most processed foods are bad can generally relate back to enzymes, so if you take out the enzymes or damage the enzymes in certain whole foods it damages the body's ability to digest that food.
Right. So apart from curing the meat used in some sausages, bacon and ham, what processes are applied to other meat products, and to cheese and cereals, that remove or damage the enzymes?

What I'm trying to get at here is that there may well be some particular foods whose processing leads them to be less digestible or in other ways less healthy than the raw version - indeed, cooking meat can cause carcinogens, so lets eat it raw - but the general "whole foods are best" bandwagon is based more on an industry trying to specialise in the marketplace than any sort of science behind good nutrition.
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The reason most processed foods are bad can generally relate back to enzymes, so if you take out the enzymes or damage the enzymes in certain whole foods it damages the body's ability to digest that food
Oh I see.

So if the processed food isn't digested,then it's nutrients are not absorbed by the body and the food simply passes through the body.

Therefore, processed food must be the best slimming diet food there is.

Unless you are wrong that is.
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Oh I see.

So if the processed food isn't digested,then it's nutrients are not absorbed by the body and the food simply passes through the body.

Therefore, processed food must be the best slimming diet food there is.

Unless you are wrong that is.
Or your body has to produce enzymes itself to compensate which long term leads to health problems. Hence why Big Macs are not a great idea.

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Right. So apart from curing the meat used in some sausages, bacon and ham, what processes are applied to other meat products, and to cheese and cereals, that remove or damage the enzymes?

What I'm trying to get at here is that there may well be some particular foods whose processing leads them to be less digestible or in other ways less healthy than the raw version - indeed, cooking meat can cause carcinogens, so lets eat it raw - but the general "whole foods are best" bandwagon is based more on an industry trying to specialise in the marketplace than any sort of science behind good nutrition.
Yes going back to previously I just want to say the 'processed food' label in most convential diets such as Paleo isn't very specific. I think when you take a piece of meat for example and add sugar or any type of isolates ingredient such as milk isolate with ice cream etc then you are missing the enzymes from the added ingredients. I think with cheese enzymes get damaged in the process of making due to the bacteria which is generated (although I would need to research that again as that's going back to a paper I read a while back)

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Right. So apart from curing the meat used in some sausages, bacon and ham, what processes are applied to other meat products, and to cheese and cereals, that remove or damage the enzymes?

What I'm trying to get at here is that there may well be some particular foods whose processing leads them to be less digestible or in other ways less healthy than the raw version - indeed, cooking meat can cause carcinogens, so lets eat it raw - but the general "whole foods are best" bandwagon is based more on an industry trying to specialise in the marketplace than any sort of science behind good nutrition.
You should check out Matt Lalonde if your interested also he does some good videos and talks on this, he's a biochemist teacher at Harvard in the states.

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Or your body has to produce enzymes itself to compensate which long term leads to health problems. Hence why Big Macs are not a great idea.
And there was me thinking that healthy (I'm mean living) humans produced enzymes themselves to aid digestion.

Just shows how wrong you can be.
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I think when you take a piece of meat for example and add sugar
er... whut?
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And there was me thinking that healthy (I'm mean living) humans produced enzymes themselves to aid digestion.

Just shows how wrong you can be.
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/ar...al-report.aspx

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Doesn't seem like the most tasty of options haha!
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Doesn't seem like the most tasty of options haha!
Bacon and maple syrup is quite nice, but I can't think of any other circumstances when I'd add sugar to meat.
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There are some Asian recipes for pork meat fried in caramelised sauce. Or something.

Ah, here you are

Vietnamese Caramelized Pork (Thit kho to)

Serves 4

1/2 cup sugar
1 cup water
1 tablespoon fish sauce
1 pound pork belly or boneless pork shoulder (skinless or skin-on), cut-into 1-inch cubes
1/2 teaspoon salt
2 large shallots, chopped
1 scallion, green part only, thinly sliced
Rice for serving.
Line the bottom of a medium- to large-sized sauce pot with the sugar. Place the pot over low heat. When the sugar melts and becomes amber-colored, add the water and fish sauce. (Don't worry if the sugar hardens upon contact with water; it will re-melt as it cooks, forming a sauce.) Add the pork and stir until coated. Raise the heat to medium low.
Add the salt. Simmer on medium-low heat for 25 minutes. Be sure to keep this at the lowest simmer possible for a more tender finished product.
Stir in shallots and and cook until translucent, another 5 to 7 minutes. The sauce should now be thick enough to coat the back of a spoon. If that’s not the case, turn the heat up a little and simmer for another 5 minutes until the sauce is further reduced.
Transfer to a deep serving dish and sprinkle the scallions on top. Serve with rice and/or other sides.
Adapted from The New York Times
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There are some Asian recipes for pork meat fried in caramelised sauce. Or something.

Ah, here you are

Vietnamese Caramelized Pork (Thit kho to)

Serves 4

1/2 cup sugar
1 cup water
1 tablespoon fish sauce
1 pound pork belly or boneless pork shoulder (skinless or skin-on), cut-into 1-inch cubes
1/2 teaspoon salt
2 large shallots, chopped
1 scallion, green part only, thinly sliced
Rice for serving.
Line the bottom of a medium- to large-sized sauce pot with the sugar. Place the pot over low heat. When the sugar melts and becomes amber-colored, add the water and fish sauce. (Don't worry if the sugar hardens upon contact with water; it will re-melt as it cooks, forming a sauce.) Add the pork and stir until coated. Raise the heat to medium low.
Add the salt. Simmer on medium-low heat for 25 minutes. Be sure to keep this at the lowest simmer possible for a more tender finished product.
Stir in shallots and and cook until translucent, another 5 to 7 minutes. The sauce should now be thick enough to coat the back of a spoon. If that’s not the case, turn the heat up a little and simmer for another 5 minutes until the sauce is further reduced.
Transfer to a deep serving dish and sprinkle the scallions on top. Serve with rice and/or other sides.
Adapted from The New York Times
This is the best argument against the palaeo diet I've read yet!
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This is the best argument against the palaeo diet I've read yet!
I know, that's why I for one could never follow any diet, let alone Paleo...I'm weak! (and well, I don't really see the point for the moment tbh)
But congrats to anyone who can be so determined!
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You do realise that no-one sane actually believes any of the s**t that Dr.Pepsi-Cola writes on his website?

It's a money-spinner to make you buy products that you don't need but think you do after reading his spiel.
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Re 'limited enzyme producing ability' enzymes are proteins (as stated, made of amino acids) which are coded for by DNA so as long as we have DNA and enzymes we can produce enzymes. Yes, some enzymes are up or down regulated (by epigenetic factors), so, for example someone who is genetically lactose intolerant (down regulates the enzyme lactase, which digests the carbohydrate lactose, after weaning) can get around that by never weaning (from any milk, not a bitty thing). We know that the European genetic mutation that allowed for lactase persistence, which has a frequency of around 90% in Northern Europe, was around 6% in the Bronze Age so we can, and have, very quickly adjusted to the Neolithic diet.
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