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Old 07.04.2015, 14:26
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I was turned off by the whole "paleo" label when it began to be used (in the USA) by the whole libertarian / right-to-carry / crossfit / hunting / fringenut scene

But as I said - I'm probably already "doing paleo" (sans the associated nuttery).. so much for labels.



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Re: Paleo - Anyone here doing it?

Wheat and sugar can be like drugs for some. I was on a modified Paleo previously but since moving here the delicious bread and chocolate has me addicted again. I understand the urge to take a drastic step to free yourself then try to add back in moderation if you choose. It's not nutty, just a reset for your body. Good luck.
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Re: Paleo - Anyone here doing it?

It looks like winter is out and summer is on its way, judging by the number of posts on diets

Good luck with the new lifestyle, MD!
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Re: Paleo - Anyone here doing it?

Haven't tried the Paleo thing - but we did switch to juicing and are now vegetarians, verging on vegans (almost, but not quite). Can't imaging having the budget to be Paleo here, to be honest. After moving here and seeing the price of meat, we slowly started eliminating it from our diets, and then eventually ditched it altogether. I don't even miss it anymore, and if you told me 2 years ago that I'd be a vegetarian, I never would have believed it, too funny.
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Old 07.04.2015, 15:29
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According to an article in New Scientist (18th March, Red Lady cave burial reveals Stone Age secrets), the real paleo diet was about 80% hoofed animal (deer, ibex), the majority of the rest was fish, with a small amount of seeds and mushrooms.
It's actually quite simple to discover what some ancient tribes ate thousands of years ago.

It's simply because a lot of those tribes are still around - untouched by civilisation in Borneo and in the Amazon.

And, unsurprisingly (to me at least), they eat a diet mainly composed of carbohydrates in the forms of tubers and fruit.
The protein that the "paleo make-believe fairy diet" comprises of really only makes up a small proportion of their diet - and (in the forests at least), would have been rats and insects with the occasionally long hunt for bigger mammals.

Some scientists believe that the early humans must have had a diet fairly high in carbs to allow them to chase down and tire the deer etc over several hours that did form a vital part of their diet.
This would explain why we have evolved to be able to run marathons distances.

But hey, to the Paleo diet fad eaters - keep eating those Paleo Brownies... (and perhaps you ought to watch less Fred Flinstone)

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Old 07.04.2015, 15:36
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It's simply because a lot of those tribes are still around - untouched by civilisation in Borneo and in the Amazon...
Which tells you sweet FA about what paleolithics ate on the savanna, or in temperate forests etc.
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But hey, to the Paleo diet fad eaters - keep eating those Paleo Brownies... (and perhaps you ought to watch less Fred Flinstone)

Haters gonna hate, thats normal. No reason whatsoever to judge people just because you eat in a different way. I can also give my view why you are wrong, but its just another subjective take on the topic. It works for me, doesnt work for you - thats ok. I dont call you names, no need for you to do so.
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which tells you sweet fa about what paleolithics ate on the savanna, or in temperate forests etc.
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Old 07.04.2015, 15:49
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Which tells you sweet FA about what paleolithics ate on the savanna, or in temperate forests etc.
Did you read the rest of what I wrote about needing carbs to be able to hunt down animals with minimal weapons?
We didn't evolve to run like cheetahs, for example.

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Haters gonna hate, thats normal. No reason whatsoever to judge people just because you eat in a different way. I can also give my view why you are wrong, but its just another subjective take on the topic. It works for me, doesnt work for you - thats ok. I dont call you names, no need for you to do so.
It's not subjective.

Do you actually believe that stone age man ate chocolate brownies?
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Old 07.04.2015, 15:57
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It's not subjective.

Do you actually believe that stone age man ate chocolate brownies?
Of course its subjective (its your view) and of course he/she didn't eat brownies and of course chocolate brownies are not part of a paleo diet. Whatever name you want to put on it, the IDEA to adhere to a diet which doesnt rest on grains as your main calorie provider (which were part of Homo Sapiens diet only for about 10k from the roughly 200k that we exist) makes sense to ME and it works for ME. It doesnt work for you and thats fine. No need to be judgmental is all i am saying.
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Old 07.04.2015, 16:21
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Haters gonna hate,..
Usually that phrase is associated with people who've run out of rational arguments, and have to resort to ad hominem attacks "If you don't agree with me, you're a nasty judgmental hate filled person".

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Did you read the rest of what I wrote about needing carbs to be able to hunt down animals with minimal weapons?...
Did you read the article I linked to about evidence that at least one Paleolithic diet comprised almost 80% meat, 20% fish? That's from a scientist as well.
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Of course its subjective (its your view) and of course he/she didn't eat brownies and of course chocolate brownies are not part of a paleo diet. Whatever name you want to put on it, the IDEA to adhere to a diet which doesnt rest on grains as your main calorie provider (which were part of Homo Sapiens diet only for about 10k from the roughly 200k that we exist) makes sense to ME and it works for ME. It doesnt work for you and thats fine. No need to be judgmental is all i am saying.
It's not my view. I'm not a scientist. It's what I've read from real anthropologists and medics.

And what works for you ought to work for me as we're both the same species unless you're not actually homo sapien but something else (neanderthal perhaps)?
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Old 07.04.2015, 16:25
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Did you read the article I linked to about evidence that at least one Paleolithic diet comprised almost 80% meat, 20% fish? That's from a scientist as well.
Did you provide a link?

If you have one then I'll read it tonight whilst I eat my paleo brownies.
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Old 07.04.2015, 16:27
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Re: Paleo - Anyone here doing it?

Can't Dougal's B stop by and write a mini-fable about what happened when the stone-age child picked up a stone, only to discover it wasn't just an ordinary one, but had a centre like a Cadbury Creme egg - and here we are thousands of years later with so much time on our hands, no longer needing to hunt and gather, discussing not IF we will eat, but WHAT we'll eat...
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Did you provide a link?...
Er... no. However I did give a reference, and the article is online, but probably requiring (free) registration.:
According to an article in New Scientist (18th March, Red Lady cave burial reveals Stone Age secrets)

The main argument against Paleo diet- regardless of what they originally ate - is that we're not Paleo people! For example, some of us are mutants who can digest cows milk. We've also domesticated many wild plants for our own use and made them more digestible. (So somethings will work for you and not for others, despite us all being human).
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Usually that phrase is associated with people who've run out of rational arguments, and have to resort to ad hominem attacks "If you don't agree with me, you're a nasty judgmental hate filled person".
I don't mean to derail this thread but I do love the phrase "haterz gonna hate" youtube comments style
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And what works for you ought to work for me as we're both the same species unless you're not actually homo sapien but something else (neanderthal perhaps)?
You are making a second fundamental mistake within a page, you should really research a bit more before making arrogant statements about people. There is something called gene polymorphism which essentially means that there are small differences in the letters of our DNA which also express themselves in different ways you and I metabolize a certain food. For example, I might be extremely sensitive to carbs and you might not be. We are the same, but not really.
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Re: Paleo - Anyone here doing it?

To get back to the OP, I recently did the "whole30" program, which is a strict form of 'paleo', like a 30 day reset, cutting out all added sugar, grains, legumes, soy, dairy. Simply put each meal is made up of a quality protein portion, an appropriate portion of "good" fat, and filled out with a lot of veg, with limited fruit.(For anyone interested, there is a LOT of info online if you google whole30 - absolutely no requirement to buy the book behind it at all, unless of course you want to. Recipe books did help me immensely though to find new inspiration and avoid food boredom).

The theory behind it is that these food groups can be inflammatory and detrimental to your health and wellbeing, perhaps only in subtle ways that you don't even attribute to your food: headaches, general lethargy, brain fogginess, etc. as well as more obvious symptoms such as bloating or acne.

I'm now in the reintroduction phase, slowly reintroducing food groups one at a time to be aware of their effects. First one dairy - the hardest thing I found to give up was cheese and milk in my tea / coffee.

It is not a weight loss diet, though that is a common side effect. There is absolutely no calorie counting and no watching the scales.

- I found it great for food awareness - I previously considered myself to be eating a reasonably healthy diet, but reading all labels ofabsolutely everything I ate and preparing 99% of my meals from scratch took it that one step further. (I found sugar-free fish sauce impossible to find here in Zurich btw!)
- It does take a lot of work: shopping / meal prep / planning - taking my own lunch to the office every day.
- My shopping budget was higher (and I ate an awful lot of eggs!).
- Willpower of steel required since I was still cooking 'normal' meals for the rest of the family (the recommendation is to clear out your kitchen of anything 'iillegal' to avoid temptation, and do it together as a family).

It has most certainly changed my tastes and eating habits and my idea of what constitutes a healthy meal. Most of all though, I do have increased energy levels and mental clarity, and feel great

As I understand it, paleo can mean different things to different people, and I'm not going to follow some diet or other just because that's what someone think our ancestors ate. But because I liked the effects of my 30 day experiment for me personally, particularly with regard to my skin, energy levels, etc. I am encouraged to continue on a more relaxed version of it, eating largely unprocessed foods, with meals based mostly around protein, veg and selected "good" fats. But of course with fish sauce, milky PGTips, occasional chocolate, processed ham and the like.
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Re: Paleo - Anyone here doing it?

I can' t take any of these fad diets seriously because I used the app myfitnesspal to lose weight successfully

you set a target weight and how long you wish to achieve it

basically you enter all the food and drink you consume and the exercise you do.

you don't need to cut out any specific food, just stick to your calories per day and the mix of carbs: proteins : fats

very easy to stick too and you soon remember what not to eat - if you have a larger lunch you basically eat very little for dinner

it stops you freaking out and allows you to eat treats and even an occasional glass of high calorie red wine.
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Re: Paleo - Anyone here doing it?

I do know a chap with rheumatoid arthritis. He has found consistently that cutting out wheat makes his symptoms go away. And when he eats wheat again, they come back. Which is fine. Where I disagree with him is his contention that (modern) wheat is poisonous and so I should stop eating it as well.

We're all different. Except for me, obviously.
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