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I did it 95% for a while and it really worked for me BUT - you need to be prepared to put in a lot of time for your meal prep, learn to plan and massively increase your food budget. Right now it's not possible for me to do it because I spend around 50 hours per week either at work or in class plus studying for said classes. This may be easy for some of the more driven, healthy people out there but what with my various health conditions, it's a very tough gig.

HOWEVER, I'm going to have to make time or something because I am constantly sick, growing fatter by the day and my skin is shocking. Currently on high dosage of prednisone because I got terrible bronchitis and cannot shake it. I think I made a long post somewhere about all the positive effects paleo (or whatever you want to call eating that way, I have to agree that there is a lot of silliness going on) had for me. If you search my posts, it should be more informative than this brief one.
You may want to check out Soylent (yes I know, that name)...
http://www.soylent.me

Basically the guy who started this is an IT engineer with no time or skill for cooking, but wanted to have something that was quick to prepare, nutritious and as unprocessed as possible. Still haven't tried it since my wife is a pro cook and we do have the luxury of time for grocery shopping and cooking - but the stuff has a nerdy / intelligent appeal that I just can't unforget (sic) it.

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I tried the Paleo diet - and it was absolutely brilliant - I lost 30kg. I suspect most of this loss came from eating berries and nuts (which weren't adequately checked) causing some mild vomiting and discomfort - for about 12 days.

After which I rationalised I wasn't following the diet strictly enough - so I went off looking for a wooly mammoth. Unable to locate one anywhere in kanton Zurich I went back to my "I Spy of Animals" and discovered that Elephants look an awful lot like mammoth - just without the furry coat. Armed with this new fund knowledge I did a nighttime assault on Zurich zoo - clad in lycra and armed with the biggest Swiss army knife I could find. I hadn't reckoned on the cunning of the Zoo - and before I even had chance to slice into my first Elephant tartar I was carted away to the clink.

It transpires that the Swiss Prison service don't do a paleo diet - but I do - so I stuck to my guns and didn't eat. On release I found that from the start of the diet I had lost an astonishing 30kg.

I am looking forward to a delicious evening meal of bark, some moss and the next door neighbours cat, who had unfortunate coming together with Renault Scenic on Easter Sunday.
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I think there is no other topic where you would find so many contradictory theories as when it comes to what is a healthy diet. Some "experts" say this, other "experts" say the opposite, which only shows to me that nobody knows.

If you want to convince me of what you think is a healthy way of eating you are barking up the wrong tree. I am not duscussing whether paleo is good or bad for you and you can ridicule it any way you want and call it fad as long as you like.

I wanted to see what others have experienced eating paleo style and maybe get some recipes. And MY experience after a little more than a week is: I eat less because the food seems to be more filling; I have totally lost any craving for alcohol or sugary food; I have not lost my drive and energy because of missing carbs.
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I do know a chap with rheumatoid arthritis. He has found consistently that cutting out wheat makes his symptoms go away. And when he eats wheat again, they come back. Which is fine. Where I disagree with him is his contention that (modern) wheat is poisonous and so I should stop eating it as well.

We're all different. Except for me, obviously.
Same for me with lupus - when I eat wheat, I feel awful. So if someone complains about feeling unwell, I do suggest they try cutting out certain foods. Turns out people prefer to complain rather than stop eating muffins. Oh well.
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...I wanted to see what others have experienced eating paleo style and maybe get some recipes...
My experience: It didn't work for me, but I'm one of those people who will not stop eating muffins. However, we do eat a few meals a week that would probably fall under the paleo banner and we like to try new things.

One good way to start is to just swap some ingredients and see what you like. It all depends on whether you want to be really strict or not. A few suggestions to try with your current recipes:

Pasta - use spaghetti squash or make ribbons of zucchini
Potato - make a twice-baked eggplant or roast some veggie sticks; I think sweet potatoes are okay too
Rice - make cauliflower rice, or use quinoa or lentils
Pizza - make a cauliflower crust
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My experience: It didn't work for me, but I'm one of those people who will not stop eating muffins. However, we do eat a few meals a week that would probably fall under the paleo banner and we like to try new things.

One good way to start is to just swap some ingredients and see what you like. It all depends on whether you want to be really strict or not. A few suggestions to try with your current recipes:

Pasta - use spaghetti squash or make ribbons of zucchini
Potato - make a twice-baked eggplant or roast some veggie sticks; I think sweet potatoes are okay too
Rice - make cauliflower rice, or use quinoa or lentils
Pizza - make a cauliflower crust
Thanks for the ideas. I am not 100% strict since I like to have a yogurt every now and then, but then again, it's not a religion, is it

It really works well with our daily cooking routine, tonight we're having tortillas and guacamole, so I am just leaving the tortillas out and eat the filling and the guaca. Everything prepared from scratch with fresh ingredients.
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Same for me with lupus - when I eat wheat, I feel awful. So if someone complains about feeling unwell, I do suggest they try cutting out certain foods. Turns out people prefer to complain rather than stop eating muffins. Oh well.
Muffins I can love without, but cheese and wine!
Seriously though, anything that works for you is great, but not everything that works for you will work for others. Gut microbiome and genetics means we are all different.
The main problem I have with diets, is not the diet, but the 'born again' self rightousness that people get, be it with paleo, 5-2, atkins or vaganism or boiled cabbage. I understand why, people feel so much better and want to share their pleasure to make others feel just as happy.... But, not everyone will react the same way. I am pretty Neolithic (e.g. homozygous for the lactase persistance mutation) so bread and dairy are not an issue to me, but I understand they are for less mutated people and would never berate anyone to have a glass of milk when feeling sick, as I do, because I know that if can actually make others very ill.

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I wanted to see what others have experienced eating paleo style and maybe get some recipes. And MY experience after a little more than a week is: I eat less because the food seems to be more filling; I have totally lost any craving for alcohol or sugary food; I have not lost my drive and energy because of missing carbs.
As I mentioned, for me it has worked fantastic, but I am not even on paleo, but rather induce ketosis by completely eliminating carbs during the week. I eat only protein and fat during the week and load with carbs during the weekend. With a very similar level of activity as before (4 times on average either gym or run) I have lost according to the scales slightly more than 10kg in 6 months, BUT its actually more as i have put on more muscle (and muscle weighs more than fat for the same volume). My body fat moved from 28-30% to 15-17% right now. I am aiming for 10% and should get there eventually.
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Cum grano salis was the adage at the time of the crucifixion...
Ditching one thing doesn't mean you have to necessarily jump on some kind of loony bandwagon (if you've read any of those paleo-this-and-that stories you know what i mean).

My personal experience goes like this - rev your metabolism up by increasing the amount of physical exercise, eat unprocessed food and plenty of veggies, and turn around the ratio of carbs to protein; fat isn't bad di per se so avoid all those "light" prepared foods.
For any sugar addiction - start by ditching soft drinks, then candy bars, then by getting a taste for good black coffee (the consumption of which is usually beneficial to your exercise routine)

If all this is paleo, then I'm a reborn caveman (not)

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I would not say Paleo is a loony bandwagon. it's actually an amazing diet which doesnt have to be done to loose weight, i didnt do it to loose weight.... just happened..... but i had dreadful eczema and a few other random things which actually cleared up as a result of changing my diet.

I came off the paleo diet a few months ago and low and behold, eczma is back as are the other issues..... looks like i need to stop eating shite again...

i had so much energy and felt so alert when following paleo... i wasnt a 100% follower, i had cheat days.... friday mornings i allowed myself coffee and cake with friends and i had a date night with my hubby now and again and out of habit.... ended up finding ways to order my food as paleo as possible.

Against all Grain is by far the best book you can get for recipes.... they are scrumptious.... and goal Paleo mom... spinach brownies.. they are amazing!!! My kids wolf them down and i darent ever admit they are made from spinach and plantain! mwmhahahaha
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And the music to the paleo diet.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0e0qYP_PTlY
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I think there is no other topic where you would find so many contradictory theories as when it comes to what is a healthy diet. Some "experts" say this, other "experts" say the opposite, which only shows to me that nobody knows.
That's not actually true. There were a lot of assumptions in the past that have since been proved wrong and most 'real' experts seem to basically agree.

Of course some internet based 'experts' wishing to peddle their wares are going to do their best to convince you to follow their diet so you buy their 'magic potions' or videos or books.

Do people who follow, for example, a gluten-free diet who don't have an allergy lose weight because they don't eat gluten or do they actually lose weight because they don't eat cakes, donuts, cookies and battered-fried food which contain gluten?
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As I mentioned, for me it has worked fantastic, but I am not even on paleo, but rather induce ketosis by completely eliminating carbs during the week. I eat only protein and fat during the week and load with carbs during the weekend. With a very similar level of activity as before (4 times on average either gym or run) I have lost according to the scales slightly more than 10kg in 6 months, BUT its actually more as i have put on more muscle (and muscle weighs more than fat for the same volume). My body fat moved from 28-30% to 15-17% right now. I am aiming for 10% and should get there eventually.
How is it healthy to eat no carbs at all during the week?
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Muffins I can love without, but cheese and wine!
Seriously though, anything that works for you is great, but not everything that works for you will work for others. Gut microbiome and genetics means we are all different.
The main problem I have with diets, is not the diet, but the 'born again' self rightousness that people get, be it with paleo, 5-2, atkins or vaganism or boiled cabbage. I understand why, people feel so much better and want to share their pleasure to make others feel just as happy.... But, not everyone will react the same way. I am pretty Neolithic (e.g. homozygous for the lactase persistance mutation) so bread and dairy are not an issue to me, but I understand they are for less mutated people and would never berate anyone to have a glass of milk when feeling sick, as I do, because I know that if can actually make others very ill.

McGregors Daughter. I wish you luck on your HFLC adventure.
Absolutely - I had five years of trying all sorts of other stuff, including just having cortisone as my standard breakfast accompaniment. The point I'm trying trying to make is that I simply tell people "I feel ill when I eat this, so you could try and see if you feel better without. Thirty days of cutting something out which may cause you to feel bad". However, people then instantly go "what, no bread/wine/cheese/Fruit Loops/green rocks harvested on the New Moon/you name it?! but that's soooo haaaard". I just can't take people seriously when they b*tch and whine but refuse to do something about it. You know the magic thing about magic pills? They are utterly make believe!
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How is it healthy to eat no carbs at all during the week?
It's "doable" - which doesn't mean it doesn't stress your organism out, the liver and kidneys especially.
A gourmet friend does this couple of times a year, when he's gained too much weight and is looking forward to the next tour of high-end restaurants (not kidding you at all).
Dunno - to me it's just too much of a shock to the organism... I prefer the aforementioned pinch of salt (which we've basically banished from our kitchen BTW).

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I would not say Paleo is a loony bandwagon. it's actually an amazing diet which doesnt have to be done to loose weight, i didnt do it to loose weight.... just happened..... but i had dreadful eczema and a few other random things which actually cleared up as a result of changing my diet.

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I should clarify that what turned me off is the association between Paleo and some of the more radical fruitcakes out there. The gist is that some folks (men and women) are starting in earnest to prepare for some kind middle-ages V2.0 so they need to be "prepared"... learn how to kill and skin your rabbit, build up brute force (hence the focus on crossfit, PX90, Krav Maga, "Inmate Workout", etc), keep your eyes open for The Enemy Within at all times, learn the Way Of The Warrior, you get the drift.

You have everything to gain from "going unprocessed" and ditching the industrial junk... return to some common sense and listen to what your body is saying - you've seen the proof.

As an anecdote - I once had my hair cut in this old barbershop in northern Italy. The barber was in his 80s but still totally rocking. His "secret"?
During WWII they had a very simple (poor?) diet: polenta, vegetables, an egg or two a week, some cheese (they were the lucky ones), poultry once a week, and of course walked a lot. Even after the war had ended he kept up that dietary regime and got to live a very fulfilling and healthy life.

So you see, the Paleos are not inventing anything, they're just playing around with labels and marketing - basically just repackaging good common sense so we can buy into something new...
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It's "doable" - which doesn't mean it doesn't stress your organism out, the liver and kidneys especially.
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The risk to the kidneys is prevented by the carb load after every 5-6 days of ketosis. I can go into detail in this, but its not the right place. You are wrong about the liver as well. Ketosis is actually beneficial to the liver due to the increased intake of Omega 3 fats and probiotics / fermented foods.
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The risk to the kidneys is prevented by the carb load after every 5-6 days of ketosis. I can go into detail in this, but its not the right place. You are wrong about the liver as well. Ketosis is actually beneficial to the liver due to the increased intake of Omega 3 fats and probiotics / fermented foods.
"prevented" is the right word - you need to "do" something about it, otherwise the stress ensues. Ditto for the liver: unless you compensate with "increased intake" other foods, the liver will be stressed (pls note that I didn't say it will fail or shutdown or whatnot).
Being a "ketosian" works optimally if you follow rigid guidelines and if you listen to your body or unless you are medically monitored (e.g. pro athletes).
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I'm just off now to buy a six pack of doughnuts.
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Mini Lindt Easter bunnies are calling my name.
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The risk to the kidneys is prevented by the carb load after every 5-6 days of ketosis. I can go into detail in this, but its not the right place. You are wrong about the liver as well. Ketosis is actually beneficial to the liver due to the increased intake of Omega 3 fats and probiotics / fermented foods.
What about vegetables? Do you only eat them at weekends or not at all?
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