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It works for me, although I rarely use it. It's a "classic". Lately have been substituting this with a mousse made from yogurt, mustard, lemon juice and a lil' bit of salt.
That's exactly what I got my 10 year old to make as part of lunch yesterday - it was a dip for raw vegetables.

They couldn't believe it didn't contain mayonnaise or oil although my wife did point out that a little olive oil mixed in would have been good as it would allow better absorption of the fat soluble vitamins in the veg.

Of course this isn't Paleo though as it contains yogurt.

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Yes, this. Even simple Google search would come up with a bunch of benefits, I just remember vitamins, antibacterial properties and loads of immuno-stimulants. Not heat treated honey is the best, not sure how much gets killed by re-liquidizing and how much by cooking/baking. Still, honey over sugar any time.
This kind of thing does annoy me. Look at the sort of websites that come up in those searches - they're all quackery unproven pseudo-science.

Yes, honey has anti-bacterial properties - but we're discussing honey as a food, not as a wound dressing.
It's quite good to reduce coughing - again nothing to do with food.

Everything else is unproven - apart from the fact that it can contain botulism so shouldn't be given to babies out of a jar.

When you eat honey, it's like eating sugar and you're deceiving yourself if you think you digesting some sort of magic potion.

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That's exactly what I got my 10 year old to make as part of lunch yesterday - it was a dip for raw vegetables.

They couldn't believe it didn't contain mayonnaise or oil although my wife did point out that a little olive oil mixed in would have been good as it would allow better absorption of the fat soluble vitamins in the veg.

Of course this isn't Paleo though as it contains yogurt.
In fact I forgot to write that I do add an olive oil spoon. And, careful with the mustard: too much will give the feeling that you eat...well, mustard. It's only a teaspoon for a few yogurt spoons.
It's a delicious "fake"...for those who have probs with the level of cholesterol (as my OH has). I tell ya, I'm grateful to his company's doctor!
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Re: Paleo - Anyone here doing it?

For me Paleo is a bit too restrictive to follow it completely, I use the principals to help guide me in making food choices but I don't want to give up dairy, nor do I think I need to be completely gluten free. However I do feel better with less pastas and breads.

I quite like this road map approach that Dave Aspery set out in the attached info-graphic for his Bulletproof diet. It's meant to be used as a guide not a religion, adjusted for each person depending their own goals and health objectives.

For me it took a long time to get over the carb/sugar cravings so I just had to take things step by step slowly.
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Agreed. And the switch to almond milk is contributing to the huge drought problem in CAlifornia for example- as a friend from Sacramento recently sent me a link to that effect on FB. Sometimes it is hard to understand the impact our daily changes can have a long way away.
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When you eat honey, it's like eating sugar and you're deceiving yourself if you think you digesting some sort of magic potion.
Yes and no. If you're thinking about the blended, pasteurised and filtered honey you can find in supermarkets, then probably yes. (I mean, really? Honey from South America, Eastern Europe and New Zealand all in one jar : roll eyes : )
I think it depends a lot on which kind of honey we're talking about- blended, monofloral/polyfloral etc. And as with other things, the local apiarist/artisan who knows the local flora (apparently glycemic index depends on the type of blossoms) will provide the best quality honey.
My mother has her own sources back home and I always get a good jar or two when I visit or she visits me. Here you can also find good quality stuff.

Btw, I guess honey is paleo...?
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Yes and no. If you're thinking about the blended, pasteurised and filtered honey you can find in supermarkets, then probably yes. (I mean, really? Honey from South America, Eastern Europe and New Zealand all in one jar : roll eyes : )
I think it depends a lot on which kind of honey we're talking about- blended, monofloral/polyfloral etc. And as with other things, the local apiarist/artisan who knows the local flora (apparently glycemic index depends on the type of blossoms) will provide the best quality honey.
My mother has her own sources back home and I always get a good jar or two when I visit or she visits me. Here you can also find good quality stuff.
I appreciate there is better quality honey that may taste better but how is it better for you when ingested?

(people don't tend to eat buckets of the stuff so slight variations in carb content etc are really not going to make that much difference).

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I appreciate there is better quality honey that may taste better but how is it better for you when ingested?
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Manuka honey (New Zealand/Australia) is said to have antibacterial properties, for instance. I don't have any opinion...yet.
But I do believe (and I might be wrong, of course) that honey is a slightly better choice over sugar, although it is a sort of sugar and one has to be careful with quantities.
But I will never use honey for baking sweets, for a few reasons.
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Manuka honey (New Zealand/Australia) is said to have antibacterial properties, for instance. I don't have any opinion...yet.
But I do believe (and I might be wrong, of course) that honey is a slightly better choice over sugar, although it is a sort of sugar and one has to be careful with quantities.
I mentioned that already - if you spread it on an open wound. But we're talking about eating the stuff.
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I mentioned that already - if you spread it on an open wound. But we're talking about eating the stuff.
Not only, even when you eat the stuff (there are a few types of manuka honey, apparently)....but as I said, I don't have any opinion yet.
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(I mean, really? Honey from South America, Eastern Europe and New Zealand all in one jar : roll eyes : )
I think it depends a lot on which kind of honey we're talking about- blended, monofloral/polyfloral etc.
Apart from perceived taste difference blending honey is not an issue. Monofloral honey is a marketing gimmick. How do you force a hive of bees to collect nectar from one flower and ignore another? As mentioned, honey is better than sugar in every single aspect, but insulin response in which they are the same.
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IMO it'll work to the extent any other fad diet works - you lose weight because you track what you eat - not because of the actual composition of your diet. I've seen people get impressive results with paleo and CrossFit - burn more calories and control the calories that go in - who would have thought it?!
Weight loss is an exact science and this comment nails it.

I have tried all sorts of diets before but I really think Paleo is the life changer.

Just cut the crap from your diet there are so many products labelled as food but they are not food, they are junk! This is why they have pretty packaging and buy 1 get 1 free offers... it's crap being sold as food.

Food = Fresh things that grow or live and you should eat them in their natural state after a little cooking or raw.

I have never seen buy 1 get 1 free on broccoli or bananas.

"Until the 19th century, the main way to turn grain into flour was to grind it between stones, sometimes powered by a water wheel. Making very fine flour took a lot of work, and it was available only in small amounts to the rich. Then high-speed, high-steel rollers, which make very fine flour quickly and inexpensively, were invented, almost instantly transforming our diets into blood-sugar nightmares.

Modern manufacturing also turns grains into highly processed forms such as cornflakes or puffed corn snacks. These foods tend to have higher Glycemic Loads (GL) than ones where the grains are left intact, like popcorn, or those milled in an old-fashioned manner, like the coarse, stone-ground whole-wheat flour used to make rustic whole-grain bread."

Cutting bread and processed foods with sugars makes you loose weight if you combine with a little exercise. Plus you will feel so much better and not bloated.
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Weight loss is an exact science and this comment nails it.

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This thread isn't about weight-loss. Just because someone is the 'correct' weight, it does not automatically follow that they are eating healthily.

Paleolithic man did not follow a diet for weight-loss. That requirement exists today because of a late 20'C century affliction caused by the easy and cheap availability of high-calorie, low value junk food and the inability of people to stop themselves eating it.

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Apart from perceived taste difference blending honey is not an issue. Monofloral honey is a marketing gimmick How do you force a hive of bees to collect nectar from one flower and ignore another? .
You don't give them a choice?
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You don't give them a choice?
A honeybee has an effective range of circa 3 km. 1 square km = 100 hectares. This basically means that its virtually impossible to create a monoflower honey as this would require a massive number of circular single crop plots of over 300 Ha with beehives positioned exactly in the middle. What is possible ofcourse is honey with a dominant flower, but not mono.
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A honeybee has an effective range of circa 3 km. 1 square km = 100 hectares. This basically means that its virtually impossible to create a monoflower honey as this would require a massive number of circular single crop plots of over 300 Ha with beehives positioned exactly in the middle. What is possible ofcourse is honey with a dominant flower, but not mono.
Ok I know nothing about bee habits, but wouldn't they always go to the closest source available? Which means that they would stay in the area of their location if there was enough food?
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There is a lot of misunderstanding on what Paleo is and isn't. Some good resources are: marksdailyapple.com, The Paleo Solution, Practical Paleo, chrisskresser.com. Recipes are fairly simple to find, look for meat and veggies! Nomnompaleo.com, paleomg.com, and Well Fed are good places to start.

Oh and of course swisspaleo.com!

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Ok I know nothing about bee habits, but wouldn't they always go to the closest source available? Which means that they would stay in the area of their location if there was enough food?
Sure. But hives are not put in the middle of a plot, they are at the fringes, so bees fly in all direction. Moreover, and much more important, there are very few commercially grown crops which are of interest to honey producers, the "best" honey is not from commercially grown crops, but from wild flowering plants, hence there's a huge heterogeneity.
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Sure. But hives are not put in the middle of a plot, they are at the fringes, so bees fly in all direction. Moreover, and much more important, there are very few commercially grown crops which are of interest to honey producers, the "best" honey is not from commercially grown crops, but from wild flowering plants, hence there's a huge heterogeneity.
Sure, nothing is absolutely pure in nature, but the fact is there are many varieties of honey which have distinctive taste, density, etc. For instance, my favourite is acacia honey, and it doesn't taste like any other honey variety. Or lime/linden honey, which is also one of my favourites.

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Honey is the awesommest. I don't think that because my doc family have all been chasing me with spoonfuls of it ever since the stats on its immuno powers of honey and goodness of propolis have been known to them, nor the other half of the family being beekeepeers, nor since my bucal hygiene has become important to me. I don't eat much sugar in general at all, but can always have a spoonful of honey a day. I love it the same way I love live cultures in my dairy. And raw, fermented sourkrout.

It is interesting, as per honey flavor/source..They tested the claimed content at home, and they found polen from China in some mass whole sale traders. I don't think it matters, personally, would still have that over sugar.
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I am sure slammer would agree that Maltese wild thyme honey is one of the best tasting.
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