Interesting thread. Anyone know where I can buy brown sugar in Switzerland??

You mean refined sugar to which they add colouring to make it brown?

I eliminated yellow snow from my diet and try to avoid brown sugar for that same reason

You are definitively 100 % wrong, for your information. Alcohols are the principle product of sugar fermentation. Simple sugars, like glucose, fructose, and maltose, are simple molecules and if they oxidize they are structurally broken, they can't be degenerated like proteins can.

Fruit is full of sugar because we bred it to be like that. Ever eaten a crab apple? Humans evolved to have a sweet tooth, and convert fructose to fat, probably because it helped us survive winter months when fruit wasn't ripe from the vine/tree.

I'm first in line to defend the demonization of saturated fat, which is the preferred substrate for the mitochondria in your cells and the only fuel your heart can burn. But the contrarian view that all sugars are evil is just as silly, because like your heart needs saturated fat, the brain needs glucose. The liver is the unacknowledged hero in-between them that makes sure each gets what it needs from the junk that we stuff into our mouths.

I'm sending your "corrections" to the guy, who has been looking at blood for over 30 years to see if he is as silly to reply...he knows what he is talking about - many people have observed the same and they have ALL improved health threw "corrections" not many people can manage because of lifestyle and diet.

I know a bloke called Dave who has been looking at blood for nearly 40 years.

He works in a slaughterhouse. What does your mate do?

You need wholemeal sugar to be healthy. It's like the difference between Hovis and a homemade stoneground wholemeal loaf.

A good substitute for spaghetti are zucchini, cut into thin stripes with a potato peeler. As in bread, there are a few protein breads on the market, coop has packaged "Proteinbrot", Migros has fresh protein bread (blue paper wrap) and Aldi Germany has some, too, I think they call it "Eiweissbrot" .

These breads still contain sugar but in a very low dosage, and the carbs per slice are around 3 grams compared to 30 and more in normal bread.

Guys, if you go "Oh my normal diet has less sugar than your sugar-free diet" -- well done!
I think that the point here is about personal improvement, which is not a one-stop journey. Some of us have bad habits. I walk into a kiosk and, if giving in to my impulses, buy half a kg of chocolate, croissants, soft drinks, etc. And gobble it all up in 10min on the daily commute to work.
Checking for added sugar is, for me at least, an easy way to stop those impulses, and eat less crap.
And I figure that anything which gives me cravings like this is bad for me.
I never had cravings for fruits, vegetables, meat...
I did experience cravings for coke (not the white kind, mind ), chocolate, cookies...

So, good luck, OP!

Fair enough. But why does it have to be all or nothing?

Why go sugar-free? Why not just cut it down a bit (or a lot)?

It's just that food is such a wonderful part of life and deny yourself something for eternity is surely a recipe for fail.

Because human nature can handle prohibition much better than moderation.


Nothing new or unusual about that.

For a second there I thought you were talking about smoking

We need to eat otherwise we die.

We don't need to smoke (well you might )

That is why I like to get my facts from You tube...


NSFW cooking show explains the plus and minus here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8UZJRR8OHhY

Eat - yes. Sugar, not so much, in my opinion.
And yes, what others said I have yet to see a smoker who said, oh, I'll just smoke a cigarette a month, and managed to keep it down to one.
Some people might not feel the need for sugar. Some of us do, and once we become aware of it, it's awful, a real fight against lifelong habits.

That's ACE1 on this forum. He's like that.

I couldn't agree more. It applies to good habits too though.

"You can't debate with people who are educated beyond their intelligence. Ignorance is the number one disease in the world today people who cannot learn and then unlearn and relearn are ignorant."

I cherish above given guidance; everybody is doing ...my father (80 years) does bowel cancer - my mother (75 years) cooks for him and is coping with symptoms doctors treat (cut, poison and burn)...

by the way - our blood is only as healthy as our bowels...but blood represents...https://youtu.be/iRLOvlEJjiE

Nice comeback.

Still, at least they have an education, which enables them to be aware of little things like basic chemistry and physics, which seem to be beyond the grasp of your guru.

I think you're mixing up sugar with vinegar