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False "extra virgin" Olive oil?

In Italy they tested 20 different extra virgin olive oils and found seven were not! This includes the following brands sold here; Bertolli (Denner und LeShop), Carapelli (Coop) und Primadonna (Lidl), details (in German language) here.
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Re: False "extra virgin" Olive oil?

Scandalous really, and I hope they are prosecuted for it. I buy some of those brands and would in context find it very annoying if they were not as advertised.
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Re: False "extra virgin" Olive oil?

Spanish Olive Oil could be a suitable alternative to those who have always bought the Italian one.
Denner stock Ybarra, which I have been told is a good brand.
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Re: False "extra virgin" Olive oil?

I thought this was old news - that so much 'cold pressed extra virgin' oil is really chemically extracted from the rancid leftovers of the initial pressing, or blended with cheaper oil.

It doesn't take much to bribe the inspectors or certifying agencies and stick a few words on the label which increase perceived value many times over....

here's an article from 2 years ago:

http://lifehacker.com/the-most-and-l...nds-1460894373
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Re: False "extra virgin" Olive oil?

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I thought this was old news ...
See also Wikipedia reference-linkOlive oil regulation and adulteration.
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Re: False "extra virgin" Olive oil?

if you want pure extra virgin oil it's better to buy it from small producers, not big brands, they can mix it up to a certain percentage with other oil. and better yet, taste it.
btw a real extra virgin oil cannot cost less than 8-10 euros per liter, i don't have links but you can look the wholesale prices and see that it doesn't make sense that it costs only 4-5 euros for one liter.
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Re: False "extra virgin" Olive oil?

Hi. My family produces olive oil. Part for personal use, mostly for external sale. Not big business at all, regional level with some exports in german speaking countries. So basically we have a good knowledge of what's going on in the olive oil market. The so called "italian" extra-vigin oil in in most cases neither italian nor virgin . Large oil retailers buy big quantities of lower quality oil from countries such as Spain and Greece (when you're lucky) or even from places like Tunisia and Algeria. Then they mix those products with minimal quantities of actual italian olive oil and re-brand the whole as an extra quality oil. This fraud was particularly widespread last year, due to a very scarce harvest. Now they're maintaining the habit, even if this year has been satisfactory, due to the fact that it is very profitable and the controls are virtually non existing.
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Re: False "extra virgin" Olive oil?

kinda like Hawaiian 'Kona Coffee'

10% Kona grown beans and 90% Folger's factory floor sweepings.
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I thought this was old news - that so much 'cold pressed extra virgin' oil is really chemically extracted from the rancid leftovers of the initial pressing, or blended with cheaper oil.

It doesn't take much to bribe the inspectors or certifying agencies and stick a few words on the label which increase perceived value many times over....

here's an article from 2 years ago:

http://lifehacker.com/the-most-and-l...nds-1460894373

Might be old news but it seems possible that Denner, LeShop, Coop and Lidl are still selling the stuff
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Re: False "extra virgin" Olive oil?

And reading the title, I thought it was a dating thread warning about some unfulfilled expectations in finding a well lubricated virgin
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And reading the title, I thought it was a dating thread warning about some unfulfilled expectations in finding a well lubricated virgin


Emergency; call Popeye....
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Re: False "extra virgin" Olive oil?

What's the difference between virgin olive oil and regular olive oil?

Tell me it's not Popeye's knob.
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kinda like Hawaiian 'Kona Coffee'

10% Kona grown beans and 90% Folger's factory floor sweepings.
Hmm, meloncollie - I was obviously (i hope) being sarcastic, but it's not far from the truth. 10% is the allowable minimum for labeling, so that's usually all you get unless it says 100% on the package - and even then it's often a lie. Like the olive oil scam.

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Re: False "extra virgin" Olive oil?

As other have pointed out, the olive oil scam has been going on for years in certain countries. I understand that Greek and Spanish olive oil tends to be more likely to be the "real deal".

Which prompts the question: Does anyone know of a reputable supplier in Switzerland, which supplies good quality (and preferably not super expensive) EVOO? Or of a supplier who ships within the EU?
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In Italy they tested 20 different extra virgin olive oils and found seven were not! This includes the following brands sold here; Bertolli (Denner und LeShop), Carapelli (Coop) und Primadonna (Lidl), details (in German language) here.
In other words, most are legit.

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Re: False "extra virgin" Olive oil?

A year or so ago, there was a K-Tip article on the best olive oils in CH, and one of the best AND cheapest was 'Minos' from Aldi. We tried a bottle, liked it and have been using it ever since.

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What's the difference between virgin olive oil and regular olive oil?

Tell me it's not Popeye's knob.
Extra Virgin is an extra pressing. The thought is you squeeze more out. It doesn't mean at all it is any better or worse. When people say are Spanish or French close the to "real deal" what does that even mean?

They are all the real deal. Some varieties of olives give different colors and flavors, and acidity levels. Olive Oils are like wine, you have to try many(I don't all mean from Italy) to find what suits best for the kind of cooking or recipe you are working with.

Italian Olive Oil is something out of pure marketing that people have come to believe it is something with being more pure or true. Look at the size of Italy, and consider that the entire thing is not solely covered with Olive Orchards. As far as I remember they are still the biggest producers by volume and space of wine in the world. What happened is some time ago, the demand for Virgin and Extra Virgin, which you will notice are English words began to significantly outpace the actual production. (Think about almost every American household, a country significantly larger then Italy having atleast a bottle. Plus the rest of the world).

So officially speaking, Italian Olive Oil as per governmental guidelines state that to call it "Italian" it has to contain the majority amount in as many as 7 different additional approved origins non Italian.
The idea is that companies in Italy get a premium to sell out their stocks, but to keep the price still affordable they have to mix in just as good oils, but from countries no one is going to buy from except locally for the most part.

In fact it's really not alot different then what goes on in the SW to Bordeaux region of France. Some would argue the Languedoc-Roussilon, Pic Saint Loup and anything SW wines are definitely improving so much recently they are in general far better then the majority of Bordeaux. However, how many bottles so you actually see from that region for sale anywhere outside of France? Bordeaux definitely is more.

And what negociants(buyers, brokers) have been doing for years is owning little or whatever sized parcels in Bordeaux and trucking metric tons of SW French wine to add to their less then par stocks. The Bordeaux wines have a system of AOC(Appellation d'Origin de Controle) system of what determines a superior/inferior and type of soil and the classifications go ahead and seal in(basically it's political)who gets the higher classification then not. Basically if you buy a Bordeaux with a Superior Classification you believe it must be. So you fill it with mostly wine that is good, but not Bordeaux much at all, and you get a premium price for a wine in demand.

Where try selling the SW wine, and the market is far more limited and not as profitable for everyone.

It's what is happening with Italian Olive Oil.

Personally I almost only buy Portuguese Olive oil and occasional small batch Provence French stuff from a place I know when I am driving thru to visit the family. The Portuguese Oils, even the commercial ones, are full of flavor and powerful green in color. Some are yellow and nutty tasting as well. And, well, the price is almost always have that of Italian, and significantly less when you are buying in in 5 liter Cans.

Not cause I don't trust Italian Olive Oil. It's cause I don't like it. If I want the same stuff for less price I'll buy Greek or Tunisian.
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Re: False "extra virgin" Olive oil?

This seems to be a somewhat generalized issue, there's quite a bit of info on it on Wikipedia:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olive_...d_adulteration
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Re: False "extra virgin" Olive oil?

On a related topic, who fries or even deep fries using olive oil?

Most recipes and TV shows, mostly start by saying use olive oil to fry your onions or garlic for example. However there is more and more evidence that Olive Oil is not suitable for high temperatures, claiming it could even be carcinogenic.

If asking a Spanish person about this topic, it typically results in responses along the lines of "nonsense".
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Spanish Olive Oil could be a suitable alternative to those who have always bought the Italian one.
Denner stock Ybarra, which I have been told is a good brand.
Ybarra is average at best.
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