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Old 20.11.2015, 16:42
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Re: Do you buy organic, Fairtrade or sustainable food products?

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Do you use organic salts instead of the good ole NaCl one for seasoning?


Salt is not food IMO
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Old 20.11.2015, 16:44
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I eat non-organic food and turn it into organic waste.

You're welcome.
Unlike Tom, who takes organic food and turns into non-organic waste - that can only be disposed off by sealing in concrete and burying 3 miles underground.

Last time he didn't he was holidaying in Iraq - and the information got leaked to the US.
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Old 20.11.2015, 17:17
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Re: Do you buy organic, Fairtrade or sustainable food products?

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1. How and where did you come to know about sustainable food?

2. How does your culture (i.e. ethnicity, food practices, religion) influence your consumption of sustainable food?

3. Apart from your culture, are there other factors that influence you to consume sustainable food?

4. As sustainable food tend to be more expensive than the conventional one, are you willing to pay this higher price, if so why?

5. How does your stay in Switzerland influence your general food consumption and of sustainable food in particular?

please indicate your COUNTRY OF ORIGIN or ETHNICITY, DURATION OF STAY IN SWITZERLAND and GENDER.
1.I can't remember.

2.I do not come from a sustainable food conscious background but at least I can start trend.

3. Being informed with facts either from online, magazines or books.

4.Depends on how expensive and what it is.

5.I am more concerned about prices since I moved here. I'm from the US and even though many people stereotype the US as being unhealthy and fat, in the US I had more access to healthier and a larger variety of food options and being here, my choices are limited.


USA, American, 3 years, female

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Old 20.11.2015, 17:27
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Re: Do you buy organic, Fairtrade or sustainable food products?

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Thanks for your reply. I am very much interested in your own thoughts on why you think 'organic and bio' are unsustainable.
They are more way more labour-intensive than conventional crops, and require more acreage for the same yield. That is why there are unsustainable.
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Old 20.11.2015, 17:32
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I suggest you make a survey on a different site, and post a link here for those who are interested in participating.
No point, really. It'll only get deleted. The only reason this thread has survived so far is for organic based giggles.
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Old 20.11.2015, 17:42
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Re: Do you buy organic, Fairtrade or sustainable food products?

I wonder what the hypothesis is..Expats (define expats, anglophone foreigners? foreigners staying here for a limited period of time? trendy hipsters? people bringing habits from outside?) eating better than local folks? Why single out foreigners, or expats...Is it a market research for sustainable/bio/organic/fad foods?

Anyways, as answers - I eat better here than elsewhere but because I cook, have a child to feed and teach her some good self caring and planet caring manners (I think it is more important to not waste food as opposed to eat organically, etc.).

You are late in discovering the latest trends, brother, though..Urban edibles foraging, anyone? I can see myself hiking to work while having breakfast.
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Organic....phffffff

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Old 20.11.2015, 17:43
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Re: Do you buy organic, Fairtrade or sustainable food products?

'organic' and 'bio' foods not 'sustainable'? How do you think the human race has sustained itself for the last 10,000 years of agriculture, up until WWII? China, a country with a 'sustainable' system of agriculture in place for 4,000 years, has lost approx. 30% of it's topsoil since the introduction of conventional agriculture. But it costs less on the sticker, so it must better...

Not enough food for everyone otherwise? yeah right. Go to a commercial, conventional farm and watch the harvest crew leave up to 80% up the food to rot in the fields - as it's the distributer that has the power and contracts out the labor, only taking what they need to manipulate market forces and keep profit margins high. Sustainable for many people means if they can keep profiting off of it and nothing else. In the end, everyone gets screwed except Dole, Del Monte, etc…

And on and on…

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Old 20.11.2015, 17:46
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Re: Do you buy organic, Fairtrade or sustainable food products?

I am running an experiment to show the kids how long the McDonald's fries last. Would you like some fries with that burger, DK?

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For example: I bought an organic burger - cooked it - and then left it out. After a few days it had gone moldy - and I had to shave it before I ate it - and I didn't feel very good afterwards. (So much for organic being healthier!!!!)

I did the same with a McDonalds burger and it was perfectly OK to eat 7 days after buying it.

The organic burger did not sustain as long as the McDonalds one.
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Old 20.11.2015, 17:55
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I am running an experiment to show the kids how long the McDonald's fries last. Would you like some fries with that burger, DK?
What is your control; conventional fries made at home? Oven-fries?
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Old 20.11.2015, 18:02
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Re: Do you buy organic, Fairtrade or sustainable food products?

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1. How and where did you come to know about sustainable food (as described above)?
I didn't.

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2. How does your culture (i.e. ethnicity, food practices, religion) influence your consumption of sustainable food?
It doesn't.

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3. Apart from your culture, are there other factors that influence you to consume sustainable food?
Lack of alternatives.

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4. As sustainable food tend to be more expensive than the conventional one, are you willing to pay this higher price, if so why?
No, as it's not sustainable.

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5. How does your stay in Switzerland influence your general food consumption and of sustainable food in particular?
I eat more veal, drink more wine, and eat more Swiss cheeses.

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Finally, please indicate your COUNTRY OF ORIGIN or ETHNICITY, DURATION OF STAY IN SWITZERLAND and GENDER as they are important for my analysis.
USA, 29 years and counting, M.

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Re: Do you buy organic, Fairtrade or sustainable food products?

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All the food I eat and buy is organic---never in my life have I had it any other way
Not only the food I eat is organic. The fuel I put in my car is organic as well.
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You are late in discovering the latest trends, brother, though..Urban edibles foraging, anyone? I can see myself hiking to work while having breakfast.
Reaping without Sowing. I think it was Berkeley or SF profs that popularized it recently, with searching for urban weeds, normally unwanted stuff, strange grasses and berries. Now, eat that!

Organic....phffffff
meh..only supports a very small % of population. Like dumpster diving or biodiesel made from used frier oil. Still good ideas, though. Ok ill stop now i mean it.
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I eat more veal, drink more wine, and eat more Swiss cheeses.
Amen to that, brother Tom.
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Re: Do you buy organic, Fairtrade or sustainable food products?

Drinking wine and eating Swiss cheese is one of the main advantages of living in Switzerland. Organic or not. In book, locally produced food is always more sustainable than organic food that has been shipped from a faraway country.

What OP really forgot to ask, is whether the people who answer the survey eat 100% organic/sustainable/whatever, 100% conventional or something in between and why. While we eat vegetarian 3 times a week and I try to buy organic fruit and vegetables (at least most of those who come from abroad, aren't peeled before eating and grow above the earth), my first choice is always food grown in Switzerland, organic or not. And the only ingredients where we're not flexible at all are chicken (always organic) and shrimps/prawns (always organic as well).

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Old 20.11.2015, 21:43
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Re: Do you buy organic, Fairtrade or sustainable food products?

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I wonder what the hypothesis is..Expats (define expats, anglophone foreigners? foreigners staying here for a limited period of time? trendy hipsters? people bringing habits from outside?) eating better than local folks? Why single out foreigners, or expats...Is it a market research for sustainable/bio/organic/fad foods?

Anyways, as answers - I eat better here than elsewhere but because I cook, have a child to feed and teach her some good self caring and planet caring manners (I think it is more important to not waste food as opposed to eat organically, etc.).

You are late in discovering the latest trends, brother, though..Urban edibles foraging, anyone? I can see myself hiking to work while having breakfast.
Reaping without Sowing. I think it was Berkeley or SF profs that popularized it recently, with searching for urban weeds, normally unwanted stuff, strange grasses and berries. Now, eat that!

Organic....phffffff


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Old 21.11.2015, 08:36
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Re: Do you buy organic, Fairtrade or sustainable food products?

When I vist a shop and note the difference between the organic and the ordinary food prices I think to myself, someone is making a lot of money here.

I deliberately avoid organic because after I have cut out all the worm holes and bruising, there is only 50% less food on my plate. Where is the point in buying substandard food for 150% of the cost?

A true story, told to me by 2 farmers in Kerzers FR, Switzerland: [A lot of vegetables are grown in this area, known as Seeland and there are several local vegetable packing companies] a local worker was fired for refusing to put non organic potatoes in bags labelled organic.
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Re: Do you buy organic, Fairtrade or sustainable food products?

Two things:

"Organic" for someone who knows chemistry means "carbon based". Gasoline is organic. Plastic is organic. Suger is organic. Salt isn't.

For scientists the whole "natural/artificial" dichotomy is, well, artificial, and the assumption that "natural" is by default good is nonsens. The most poisonous substances in existence are all "natural".

"Organic agriculture" is just silly. It basically means rejecting any progress made since the mid 19th century. And all of it's claims that it is healthier, more sustainable, better for the environment etc. have been refuted, to the extend that in some countries these claims can no longer be made when advertising "organic" products.

So no, I am not going to pay more for food because it has some magic label added to it.
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