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Re: Help, support, recipes for low or no carb diet

There are some good suggestions on this site which coincidentally the boy was looking at this afternoon as he needed info for a school project.

http://authoritynutrition.com/101-he...-carb-recipes/
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To clarify - Odile is looking for low-GI food (based on the information given) - the one thing she sure as hell doesn't want to eat is a banana - it will spike the bloody sugar - and therefore insulin levels.


Basically you need high protein + low GI carbs combined.


Actually...


http://www.diabetes.org/food-and-fit...th-type-2.html


And from: https://www.diabetes.org.uk/


Myth: People with diabetes can't eat grapes, mangoes or bananas

People sometimes think that if they have diabetes they can't eat grapes and bananas as they taste sweet. But if you eat a diet that includes these fruits, you can still achieve good blood glucose control. In fact, grapes and bananas, like all fruit, make a very healthy choice.




Fruit is high in fibre, low in fat and full of vitamins and minerals. It helps to protect against heart disease, cancer and certain stomach problems.


And http://healthyeating.sfgate.com/can-...anas-2717.html




I also asked a friend of mine before I posted. She has Type 2. Response? "I eat pretty much what I like, I just have to take it all into consideration." So I suppose, like much in life, it's a question of balance.


Incidentally, I was responding to the thread title and the original post.



Sweet Potatoes could be a good alternative lower carb (and lower GI) choice.


http://healthyeating.sfgate.com/swee...tics-1614.html
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Re: Help, support, recipes for low or no carb diet

Roasted root vegetables are really satisfying. Big chunks of carrot, celiriac and kohlrabli taste completely different when roasted.
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Thanks all, you are so kind.

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Walking for at least 1 up to 3 hours 4 to 5 times a week in the hills.

that is part of my problem now. I used to do that all the time, with the dog- but now my knees are just too sore- bone on bone is painful. I must start swimming again- that should help and much less stress on knees (I have to do up and down/crawl legs).

I switched to low GI carbs quite a long time ago- but this is not enough- now trying to cut carbs almost totally out apart from breakfast porridge with large oats.
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Re: Help, support, recipes for low or no carb diet

Odile, I am very tired at the moment, hence the short post. Did they put on a ketogenic diet? If not, would it be something for you? I adhere (mostly) to it for another health reason. It takes getting use to, but after a while it is very rewarding.
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Not been 'put on any diet' - just decided I have to lose weight and that cutitng carbs will help. Ketogenic diet is truly not for me, and OH would seriously be concerned, as he believes it is dangerous, as it leads to muscle loss, tiredness and other debilitatin symptoms, and can be particularly dangerous for diabetics.
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Help, support, recipes for low or no carb diet

I eat lots of eggs, and relatively lean protein, especially chicken and fish.

Spiralizer is a great addition for cutting up vegetables.

Harder in winter, but i like lots of crunchy vegetables - shredded cabbage, carrot, raw beet, fennel. Salads with cheese, crunchy seeds and a tiny bit of bacon.

Instead of mashed potatoes, mashed celeriac. Sweet potatoes are great, although you probably should stick to the orange and purple ones, not the white ones. Eat lots of squash - butternut, and pumpkin. Use good oils and real butter.

Berries, apples, citrus are good.

Xylitol or erythritol instead of sugar, but, xylitol is toxic to dogs and cats.

Every once in a while, to have something decadent, separate an egg. Beat the white till stiff, fold in the lightly beaten yellow, use it as a batter to fry zucchini, eggplant, cauliflower.

Let yourself cheat once in a while.

Drink lots and lots of water, with a bit of lemon.

Good luck with the knees.
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Re: Help, support, recipes for low or no carb diet

I read that the keto diet can be of particular benefit for people with type 2 diabetes.
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I read that the keto diet can be of particular benefit for people with type 2 diabetes.

I know it's useful in children with epillepsy, and it's being looked at for other conditions such as neurological disorders and cancers. The ketogenic diet is different, i think than diabetic ketosis, which is harmful to diabetics (i forget the distinction though).
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I am really not looking for an 'extreme' diet- which I would not be able to stick to and could also be dangerous. Just cutting carbs to minimum and portion control, and slow, steady weight loss. I should of course up exercise, but it is very difficult when in constant pain.
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Re: Help, support, recipes for low or no carb diet

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I am really not looking for an 'extreme' diet- which I would not be able to stick to and could also be dangerous. Just cutting carbs to minimum and portion control, and slow, steady weight loss.
Well that's the only approach which worked for me (-24kg over the period of 2 years). 80 to 56kg with 168cm.
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Well done- could it be you are younger with no other health issues? But bravo.
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Re: Help, support, recipes for low or no carb diet

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I am in my middle thirties, diagnosed with epilepsy in my teens. AEDs and antidepressants. Working 110% is not an option I consider any longer.
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Not all carbs are the same. Fiber is a carbohydrate, but is valid for low carb diets. Most fiber does not digest, so you can eat as much of it as you'd like. Other carbs quickly turn to starch and sugar, which enters the blood stream for immediate use. So you would want foods that are high in fiber.

If you don't take carbs, you'll still need an energy source, and protein is not a good source to convert to energy. Its best used for building tissue. You would likely need to switch to fat as an energy source. When you don't eat enough carbs, fat is converted into ketones, a carbohydrate that can be used for energy. It takes time for this to process to happen. Your liver actually switches metabolic states for it to occur. And when this occurs, your body can start using stored fat as energy.

When I'm in this state, I don't get very hungry, and the focus of my mind is sharpened. I tend to take exams in this state. It is also great for weight loss. I understand this diet is often prescribed to epileptics.

Look up Ketosis and ketogenic meals. I understand a side effect of ketosis is bad breath, but nobody has ever bothered to tell me if and when I ever have it.


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Odile, I am very tired at the moment, hence the short post. Did they put on a ketogenic diet? If not, would it be something for you? I adhere (mostly) to it for another health reason. It takes getting use to, but after a while it is very rewarding.
I was slow to post. I could lose more than a pound a day on a ketogenic diet. I find it clears stored toxins in fat tissue as it is converted to energy, and I do get lots more energy with it.
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Re: Help, support, recipes for low or no carb diet

In terms of food, you can start with smaller portions of the carbs you like and then gradually add more veg or other substitutes. That way you don't have to feel too much like you're "giving up" things you enjoy.

In terms of exercise, have you considered pilates and/or yoga? Both can be low impact and are good for you, but you need to find the exercises that are comfortable. Also if you have some light weights you can do strength training, which will help burn more cals in the long term and help with your surgery recovery.

Sorry you're in so much pain and hope you get some relief from the surgery.
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Re: Help, support, recipes for low or no carb diet

So, yeah, insulin dysfunction. The islets of Langerhans are located in the pancreas but they really belong to the liver and not the pancreas. Their function is to sit down-stream of the portal vein from the liver and monitor the amount of glucose in the blood, and then regulate the up-take of glucose by the muscles and liver (and fat deposits) with insulin. The key is to not explode the insulin hormone feedback loop with regards to glucogon and human growth hormone. To do this, you need to stimulate glucogon and HGH production by not eating all the time.

The basic cause of type 2 diabetes appears to be crowding out of the molecular machinery in the liver by fat deposits, such that it ceases to function effectively in pulling sugar out of the portal vein and breaks the islets feedback mechanism. There are two primary causes of fatty liver in the Westernized homo sapiens sapiens: 1.) fructose, and 2.) alcohol. Unfortunately once sclerosis has set in there's not as much corrective action to take.

Walking isn't going to give you great gains. High-intensity exercise that build muscle mass will. Getting muscles to take-up sugars to fuel protein production is great because it's upstream of the liver. Calories-in, calories-out, doesn't dictate whether your body allocates an excess of calories toward building fat deposits or fabricating new proteins for muscles.

What you really need to do is make your liver bored out of its mind so that it gradually de-fats itself. Try googling 'intermittent fasting' as a starting point. There are a number of protocols, either from doing a 20/4 eating cycle, to just skipping breakfast and lunch twice a week. There's a whole bunch of religious groups that have greatly improved health compared to the general Western population, and they all have the common point of weekly religion-based fasts. So stop eating porridge (or breakfast, period, if you have type 2 diabetes). I'll point out that the French call lunch 'dejeuner' and breakfast 'le petit-dejeuner', and 'jeuner' is 'to fast' So you really don't need the break in your fast. You won't die if you skip breakfast and lunch. You might feel like you're going to die, but your body will adapt after a few days.

I would strongly advise you to completely ignore nutritionists. They have no biochemistry background what-so-ever. All they do is parrot what old, out of touch medical doctors tell them to say. Medical doctors themselves are overworked and never keep up with the literature. If you rely on what others tell you is best (including me!), don't be surprised if your health is poor. You are responsible for yourself.
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Re: Help, support, recipes for low or no carb diet

Tai-chi and Gi gung used to really help - the club I belonged to in the UK knew how to deal with people with impairment and adjust exercises, but all the ones I've tried near here, both sides of border- just do not have the necessary experience.
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The basic cause of type 2 diabetes appears to be crowding out of the molecular machinery in the liver by fat deposits, such that it ceases to function effectively in pulling sugar out of the portal vein and breaks the islets feedback mechanism. There are two primary causes of fatty liver in the Westernized homo sapiens sapiens: 1.) fructose, and 2.) alcohol. Unfortunately once sclerosis has set in there's not as much corrective action to take.

Walking isn't going to give you great gains. High-intensity exercise that build muscle mass will. Getting muscles to take-up sugars to fuel protein production is great because it's upstream of the liver. Calories-in, calories-out, doesn't dictate whether your body allocates an excess of calories toward building fat deposits or fabricating new proteins for muscles.
How long does it take for the liver to rebuild itself?

A key here is to use up more energy than you eat in for a period of time. Counting calories can help. Burning extra energy helps. Building muscle tissue through exercise is even better use of more energy. This can be very difficult, and some people have a very hard time doing it. I do a lemonade, honey and cayenne pepper fast to clear out every once in a while. I once went for around 10 days, but after the 4th day, I had trouble doing basic math or holding a simple conversation. A 2-3 day fast normally clears out my system of junk.
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Can you really fast when you are diabetic?
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Fasting doesn't necessarily mean no food at all. It could mean eating less of the right food. But there are different types of diabetes, and I suppose fasting may cause hypoglycemia. I would consult a doctor on how to monitor it. i believe there are some urine strips for monitoring your blood.
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