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Re: Coffee Machine recommendation ?

Had a delonghi 4200 before, worked great for me
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So I had my deLongi espresso machine for 2.5 years now and they were happy 2.5 years until about last week, when it would not give me any coffee anymore.
The machine was perfectly okay, clean and functioning - it would just not get the darn water/coffee into the cup. That's not a peanut problem. One gets withdrawal symptoms, the digestion does not work smoothly .... it's simply not life as it is supposed to be

The problem are those filters deLongi delivers. They can't be taken apart, the coffee-crap stays between the sieve and the rest of the bit and there is no way to get that out. The reason they are this way is to get pressure and - what many call - fake crema.

I started research and found some guys on youtube who did very neat adaptions to the portafilter as well as the filters - things I'm not able to do as I don't have the tools and I don't trust myself working precise enough if I had. So I started to go through my friends-list ..... and didn't find one who would have the tools, the knowledge, the interest or the will to invest the time. (Hope I'm not doing any of my friends wrong by just assuming they woldn't. LOL)
(I've just learnt five minutes ago, that Aliexpress actually delivers these adapted things, I might even go for them some day soon, I have no experience with Aliexpress though. The offer seems endless, did not do detailed research on Aliexress yet).

However, I came across the "easy clean filter" and it was delivered today. You can get it a few Rappen cheaper on amazon.de ..... but there is the corona-border, not to mention the price difference is a laugh.

So if anyone has the same problem, this is the solution. Well, solution no. 1. The bottomless portafilter (and the according sieves) and no pressure (solution no. 2) is probably the ultimate way to go.


@Chuff, I don't know which machine you're on at the moment but you might not like solution no. 2 as there is no neat outlet on that system and definitely not a two-cup-outlet-system.
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So I had my deLongi espresso machine for 2.5 years now and they were happy 2.5 years until about last week, when it would not give me any coffee anymore.
The machine was perfectly okay, clean and functioning - it would just not get the darn water/coffee into the cup. That's not a peanut problem. One gets withdrawal symptoms, the digestion does not work smoothly .... it's simply not life as it is supposed to be

The problem are those filters deLongi delivers. They can't be taken apart, the coffee-crap stays between the sieve and the rest of the bit and there is no way to get that out. The reason they are this way is to get pressure and - what many call - fake crema.

I started research and found some guys on youtube who did very neat adaptions to the portafilter as well as the filters - things I'm not able to do as I don't have the tools and I don't trust myself working precise enough if I had. So I started to go through my friends-list ..... and didn't find one who would have the tools, the knowledge, the interest or the will to invest the time. (Hope I'm not doing any of my friends wrong by just assuming they woldn't. LOL)
(I've just learnt five minutes ago, that Aliexpress actually delivers these adapted things, I might even go for them some day soon, I have no experience with Aliexpress though. The offer seems endless, did not do detailed research on Aliexress yet).

However, I came across the "easy clean filter" and it was delivered today. You can get it a few Rappen cheaper on amazon.de ..... but there is the corona-border, not to mention the price difference is a laugh.

So if anyone has the same problem, this is the solution. Well, solution no. 1. The bottomless portafilter (and the according sieves) and no pressure (solution no. 2) is probably the ultimate way to go.


@Chuff, I don't know which machine you're on at the moment but you might not like solution no. 2 as there is no neat outlet on that system and definitely not a two-cup-outlet-system.
I am still on the machine which makes me (and my guests) very happy... the Siemens S700. It produces great coffee and is honestly one of the most-loved things I have bought. I also got it with a big price reduction and a 5 year warranty so I will be enjoying it for years to come.
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Old 04.06.2020, 00:55
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Just picked up a De Longhi ETAM 29.660.SB Autentica (their naming system is atrocious) in the M-electronics Sale, and I have to say I'm very impressed indeed.



My image of fully automatic coffee machines was this..



..but how wrong I was. Using just Movenpick beans from Denner my first creations have wowed me and as I get better quality beans I am sure things will only improve.
3 years later and my Delonghi is still going strong. I use the water filters and descaler as recommended to keep everything tip top.

The only issue I had was a small stone that must have been in a bag of beans and that buggered the grinder. Migros handled the repair admirably, the stone was taped to the engineers report with a warning that they were repairing it as a gesture of goodwill but any further user damage would be charged.
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3 years later and my Delonghi is still going strong. I use the water filters and descaler as recommended to keep everything tip top.

The only issue I had was a small stone that must have been in a bag of beans and that buggered the grinder. Migros handled the repair admirably, the stone was taped to the engineers report with a warning that they were repairing it as a gesture of goodwill but any further user damage would be charged.
A stone? Yikes... would never have thought of that!
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Re: Coffee Machine recommendation ?

I don't even remember how old our DeLonghi Autentica Cappuccino is, but it's still going strong.

Don't know why someone complained about the filters, they can be very easily removed and replaced. A tad expensive, but then they last a lot. Maybe it's different for other models, who knows.

@Castro I see you have the same coffee machine, funny. Do you use it for Cappuccino too? That's the only thing I find it to be a bit messy tbh. I have a manual milk frother so....I think I was the one who wanted our machine to have that function, now I realised that we don't actually need it or want it.
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I don't even remember how old our DeLonghi Autentica Cappuccino is, but it's still going strong.

Don't know why someone complained about the filters, they can be very easily removed and replaced. A tad expensive, but then they last a lot. Maybe it's different for other models, who knows.

@Castro I see you have the same coffee machine, funny. Do you use it for Cappuccino too? That's the only thing I find it to be a bit messy tbh. I have a manual milk frother so....I think I was the one who wanted our machine to have that function, now I realised that we don't actually need it or want it.
He only drinks Castroccinos.
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He only drinks Castroccinos.


This machine is a tad too sophisticated for our needs...

But seriously, if we are to replace it for whatever reason, then it's going to be another DeLonghi.....kind of got loyal to this brand.
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Re: Coffee Machine recommendation ?

I couldn't be happier with my very simple WMF Lumero espresso machine:



It makes espresso just as good as my old Nespresso machine (which died on me around a month ago, after 10 years of faithful service), and it's about the same size as a Nespresso Pixie. After quick math, I realized I am now paying around 7 times less for each coffee as I did with Nespresso, and the lack of convenience is minimal (with probably quite a bit lower carbon footprint impact, even after recycling the capsules).
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He have head this model for nearly 10 years and it was a great coffe-machine. I used to clean it, decalcify water regularly and even took it apart once to clean thoroughly the important pipes and etc. Functionally, it still works great up to date. However, my wife thinks it’s time to recycle it as the water quality does not seem to taste the same.

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@Castro I see you have the same coffee machine, funny. Do you use it for Cappuccino too? That's the only thing I find it to be a bit messy tbh. I have a manual milk frother so....I think I was the one who wanted our machine to have that function, now I realised that we don't actually need it or want it.
I've never actually used it because I prefer straight espressos. On the odd occasion I want a milky coffee or hot chocolate I have a manual jug frother thats a lot easier to use and clean.

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I don't even remember how old our DeLonghi Autentica Cappuccino is, but it's still going strong.

Don't know why someone complained about the filters, they can be very easily removed and replaced. A tad expensive, but then they last a lot. Maybe it's different for other models, who knows.

@Castro I see you have the same coffee machine, funny. Do you use it for Cappuccino too? That's the only thing I find it to be a bit messy tbh. I have a manual milk frother so....I think I was the one who wanted our machine to have that function, now I realised that we don't actually need it or want it.
It's because the machine you mention does not use the filter that someone (me) had problems with.

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I've never actually used it because I prefer straight espressos. On the odd occasion I want a milky coffee or hot chocolate I have a manual jug frother thats a lot easier to use and clean.

Yep, got one like that. Can you set it on cold as well? As one can make great frappées with it too.
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It's because the machine you mention does not use the filter that someone (me) had problems with.


Yep, got one like that. Can you set it on cold as well? As one can make great frappées with it too.
Some milk frothers work with cold milk, others don't. The Nespresso Aeroccino works. The best way to discover if yours works with cold milk is...
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This machine is a tad too sophisticated for our needs...

But seriously, if we are to replace it for whatever reason, then it's going to be another DeLonghi.....kind of got loyal to this brand.
It's worth bearing in mind that co-op's Satrap branded vollautomat machines are simply re-badged deLonghis (the ESAM models certainly). One of ours (the Satrap one) finally gave up the ghost a couple of years back, after around 15 years service and a couple of not-too-difficult home repairs, like a broken micro-switch , and has just donated its steam tap to the newer, only ten-year-old deLonghi one. Will keep it for spares.

Meanwhile the defunct one was replaced for the newer, slightly more compact ECAM model which still shares most of the same internals although is not quite the same layout.

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Misunderstanding. I do know mine can.
In fact it does cold, 50°C, 60°C and 65°C depending what I tell it to.
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My grinder clapped out after years of service. Pre-ground is a nightmare, so I had to suck it up and upgrade


You wouldn't think that a grinder could make such a difference, but it does. I used a frother for years and although you could be satisfied with the result, there's just something about steamed milk.


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Re: Coffee Machine recommendation ?

We replaced our Breville Barista Express recently with another Breville, re-branded as Sage Barista Pro.

The old machine blew a valve and a replacement was unobtainable during lock-down and lots of the internal parts are now becoming obsolete.
I've replaced a couple of solenoids and seals etc over the years which has been pretty easy and were only a few euros on ebay.



This is a new one and has a thermo-jet heating system rather than a dual-boiler or a boiler with a heat exchange (the later like Traubert's machine).
Although it can't make expresso and steam milk at the same time, it only takes three seconds from switch on to being at temperature and the time to make steam is about a second with lots of steam pressure.

It has a built in grinder and whilst I would have preferred a better quality stand-alone one, the extra cost of this and a machine without, and the lost of counter-space meant we got this one.
Amazing performance and about a third the price of Traubert's Rocket Giotto and grinder.

I'd never buy one of those DeLonghis with the milk compartment - far too much effort in washing those out every day (or more frequently?)
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Both my brother and sister have Brevilles, although a couple of years old now. They’re excellent for what they are, and I could happily coax a very high quality flat white out of it with silky smooth steamed and stretched milk. The new one heats up in an impressive time! I have to plan my mornings 20 minutes ahead to wait for mine to be ready.
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