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Re: Coffee Machine recommendation ?

For the best recommendation you may want to try the Italian forum next door.
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Old 20.11.2016, 11:41
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Let me qualify the requirement a little more..

I'm fed up with capsules because a: I think they all taste much the same, b: they are expensive, c: if i cared about the environment, they are probably bad, d: i think the machine looks shite.

I already have a plunge jug - it's great for six people around the breakfast table.

I already have the little kettle thing -- best coffee, absolutely great but it's messy and no fancy milk steam crap.

So the new machine should make me a great naked coffee at 5.30 in the morning. Then make all the fancy stuff later when the sun comes up and the ladies come around for a chat.
Now this explains it all! Ladies calling on you every morning.
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Old 20.11.2016, 11:56
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To clean the caked powder out of the grinder you usually need to completely disassemble the machine. The cleaning is pretty straightforward, but getting to the bits which need cleaning takes a bit of time and a fair portion of jiggery pokery.
Mine's pretty easy - you take out the hopper and then twist the mechanism underneath 90 degrees and then the actually grinder comes out. 10 seconds to dismantle.
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Old 20.11.2016, 12:00
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Mine's pretty easy - you take out the hopper and then twist the mechanism underneath 90 degrees and then the actually grinder comes out. 10 seconds to dismantle.
Cool, that is the kind of feature to be looking for! Marque, model?
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Re: Coffee Machine recommendation ?

We went through a similar route two years ago (from a nespresso machine) and after some time researching and even more time fine-tuning we now have the Baratza Precisio grinder and the Gaggia Classic machine.
From my experience/research, don't consider an espresso machine without investing in a proper grinder and in my case the grinder was more expensive than the machine itself. The total investment came to about CHF700 with the Baratza costing 400 and the Gaggia 300.
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Re: Coffee Machine recommendation ?

a) Put your money into better beans. Buy small quantities regularly - subscriptions are available at any decent place - and they'll optimise the grind if you're not prepared to invest in a home grinder. You won't find what you need in a supermarket: we're lucky to have many quality independents.

b) Purchase an Aeropress - about CHF50 - and see where this takes you before you spend loads on something of which you're unsure.

There's a lot of stuff to consider if you're wanting a machine and it can be bewildering. An Aeropress will revolutionise your daily cup. Once you've improved the beans and mode of brewing you'll be ready for the trek up to high end kit.
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Re: Coffee Machine recommendation ?

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Let me qualify the requirement a little more..

I'm fed up with capsules because a: I think they all taste much the same, b: they are expensive, c: if i cared about the environment, they are probably bad, d: i think the machine looks shite.
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So the new machine should make me a great naked coffee at 5.30 in the morning.
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This was exactly why I had this done, too (except for the ladies).


Was coming from American Coffee, over Migros Delizio, Nespresso, Chicco d'Oro (all, exception made for the first, made good coffee but the machines are quite picky and quite all of them broken after not much time. A part the cost).


Finished first with Jura, then Saeco (beans).


Problem: They are made of plastic, too. All of them leak i.e. you need something to put under it, otherwise you'll ruin your kitchen maybe without noticing. Had them in reparation for 4 times now. So I finally decided to let it go.


Solution: Keep your old capsules thing (which has a big plus, i.e. that the machine usually is much smaller and easier to control), so that you can have your only coffee at 5.30. The others better have them at a bar, and reduce your daily caffeine consumption.


P.S. I took the Saeco without the milk thing, the reason was I thought missing things cannot break. This kind of thinking says it all.
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Old 20.11.2016, 17:09
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Cool, that is the kind of feature to be looking for! Marque, model?
Gastroback 42612. I did post a photo earlier in the thread.

I second what people say about the quality of the grinder. It needs to be good.

Ground beans oxidise pretty quickly so ordering even small quantities of ground beans isn't going to be as fresh as grinding your own seconds before you brew your coffee.
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Old 20.11.2016, 17:11
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We have a Saeco which we bought a Fust. It has all of the options you are looking for. Often machines which have been replaced with a later model are reduced so you may find a machine well within your budget.


I should add that it is not a quiet machine (the loudest part is the grinding of the beans) so if you are not intending to wake anyone else at 5:30 am this might be something to consider.
we have been happy with our Saeco machines over the years & yes there are bargains to be had in end of Ranges. also sometimes people sell here by marketplace.

Main things to remember is regular maintenance, descaling. one place we lived had hard water so used water from water filter to top it up & that saved so much maintenance. Do not put plastic parts in Dishwasher, we did that once and they shrank a bit.

i do suggest you check where you are going to put, i.e. how much counter space it takes up.

Once we had small kitchen & used Espresso machine, although we had separate grinder, you can use the grinder in the shops for free. Only pain with that you have to put the measurement of coffee in each time.

Mrs Doolitte you are right, some of the grinders can be a tad noisy. As on occasion I have to be up at 4.30 am, tend to now make some the night before and put in flask for breakfast when early start.
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Re: Coffee Machine recommendation ?

I would only buy a machine that can be cleaned inside properly too.
For instance something like a product from de Longhi.
I have seen many automatic machines from the inside - and that is not very nice sometimes.
If you can't remove the inside parts for cleaning then very soon there are mildews .....
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Contrary to most, I'll reply on topic ;-).

This is the machine I use:
https://www.nettoshop.ch/Haushalt-Kl...rz-/p/IP023099

Full automatic including milk drinks, can make proper Latte Machiato (milk first, then coffee), is easy in maintenance and inexpensive. It also has 2 bean containers so you can use either lighter roast for long coffees or darker for espresso.

The newer model, the Barista TSP is mostly the same, but it has a redesigned grinder which is emptied after every coffee preparation. And it is digital so you can program which coffee is made with which beans.
https://www.nettoshop.ch/Haushalt-Kl...rz-/p/IP063182
The Melitta machines seem to have fantastic reviews...but the Barista is very expensive! I have been considering getting a Melitta Caffeo Varianza CSP which retails here for around CHF 650 and has EXCELLENT reviews:
http://www.expertreviews.co.uk/home-...nza-csp-review

Anyone had any experience?
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Re: Coffee Machine recommendation ?

Another shout for Delonghi.

I've got the Perfecta model, something like this: http://www.delonghi.com/en-int/produ...00t-0132215050

Cost me about £500 and has worked without issue for 6 years or so
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The Melitta machines seem to have fantastic reviews...but the Barista is very expensive! I have been considering getting a Melitta Caffeo Varianza CSP which retails here for around CHF 650 and has EXCELLENT reviews:
http://www.expertreviews.co.uk/home-...nza-csp-review

Anyone had any experience?
Amazon reviews seem to point out to a problem with the integrated grinder of the Varianza CSP, so I'd recommend some research to make sure if this still concerns recently manufactured machines. I wouldn't worry about the taste of coffee as I'm pretty sure the brewing unit is identical to the Barista series.

Other than that, the Melitta Caffeo CI is identical to the Barista T as far as all functionality is concerned and it also costs around 650 CHF. My brother owns the TSP and while the coffee tastes the same, the grinder is indeed an improvement as it not only allows you to easily switch between coffee sorts, it's also a good bit quieter. I didn't think much about this when buying my machine, but now I'd pay the extra 300 CHF for this functionality.
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Old 11.12.2016, 11:42
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Hello everyone I'm new in this forums and I think there are many more suitable and automated coffee maker using by people. It is too helpful for a perfect coffee drinkers.
And what do you want to tell us? For a native speaker I fail to understand what you say
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Re: Coffee Machine recommendation ?

http://www.espressokamira.com/prodotto.php?id=15

Simple, but great.

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Re: Coffee Machine recommendation ?

I have a cafetiere for making coffee for a few people.

I've an Arabic/Turkish stove-top coffee jug for strong Turkish coffee.

I've some Vietnamese one-cup drip-coffee things which I use with Vietnamese coffee (the ones blended with fish sauce!).

I've even got a jar of instant granules someone gave me. Mix a spoonful into cold milk into a paste, then add hot water. It doesn't taste like coffee as such, but it's still a nice taste.

However, for most of my coffee (about three a day - one latte, two espressos on average) I use what many here do: a bean-to-cup DeLonghi. For some reason (it was almost new and I've not found any fault with it in the 2 years I've owned it now) someone gratis'd the machine, with manuals taped to the top, in a street near me. After a thorough clean it's been perfect.

http://www.delonghi.com/en-us/produc...300-0132213012

I buy my beans from London Soho (www.algcoffee.co.uk, usually Formula Rossa), although Moccaraba in Kleinbasel does good beans too.
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I have a cafetiere for making coffee for a few people.

I've an Arabic/Turkish stove-top coffee jug for strong Turkish coffee.

I've some Vietnamese one-cup drip-coffee things which I use with Vietnamese coffee (the ones blended with fish sauce!).

I've even got a jar of instant granules someone gave me. Mix a spoonful into cold milk into a paste, then add hot water. It doesn't taste like coffee as such, but it's still a nice taste.

However, for most of my coffee (about three a day - one latte, two espressos on average) I use what many here do: a bean-to-cup DeLonghi. For some reason (it was almost new and I've not found any fault with it in the 2 years I've owned it now) someone gratis'd the machine, with manuals taped to the top, in a street near me. After a thorough clean it's been perfect.

http://www.delonghi.com/en-us/produc...300-0132213012

I buy my beans from London Soho (www.algcoffee.co.uk, usually Formula Rossa), although Moccaraba in Kleinbasel does good beans too.
That's the way I do instant granules too - and Algerian Coffee Stores is the best shop in the world.
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In my experience, there is only one device which makes decent coffee:



Benefits:
- Cheap to purchase and replace
- virtually bulletproof
- you can take it with you wherever you go
- almost no maintenance required
- longevity

Drawbacks:
- You cannot just press a button
- there is no "steam and milk thing"
I'm in the coffee dilemma these days and I agree with the above.
My morning coffee at home is done using this traditional cooking pot. I like it.
For my office I purchased (now in my opinion overrated Swiss Jura coffee machine)
Although I use the same coffee as home, the coffee tastes not as nice. I did numerous of test in how the coffee is grinded etc. Still nothing. The good thing on the Jura mashine is - you press the button!

Do you think Jura is a bit overrated?
And have you found better alternative?
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I'm in the coffee dilemma these days and I agree with the above.
My morning coffee at home is done using this traditional cooking pot. I like it.
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And have you found better alternative?
For Moka lovers:

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Re: Coffee Machine recommendation ?

Fust is selling their showroom coffe machines decently priced on ricardo (i.e. https://www.ricardo.ch/kaufen/hausha...v/an891379276/). They give 6 months warranty.
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