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WTF... the milk frother is crap? That's one of the main reasons I bought it and I don't want to have to buy a new separate milk frother to do what the machine should be doing!

If what you are saying is true then better to buy a cheaper expresso machine (without frother) and then a good milk frother separately.

Ok, cancelling my order until I figure this out... *takes deep breaths*
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Hmm, curley any comments on this?
LOL, sorry not to be on EF every minute, waiting to be asked something

It's not crap! It's like Tom1234 says: You will have to get the hang of it. The guy on the video probably practiced quite a while to make it look that easy.

The deLonghi you chose is an espresso machine. Regular espresso drinkers (like me) have them without milk or sugar normally. So the milk frothing is an added benefit. And as that it is fine.

PLEASE don't keep ordering machines all over Switzerland before you made a clear decision.

Btw. I find the deLonghi price very cheap for an espresso machine of this quality. And quality is what you're after? Also with this machine the subject will be closed for you for a long time.
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Re: Coffee Machine recommendation ?

chucked out the last of my Nespresso machines as don't think their coffee is anywhere like as good as it once was, their shops are style over substance.

Now it's Nescafé Dolce Gusto - Grande Intenso. Great flavour. Machines don;t look as cool but would rather have much better flavour.

Also had my fill of overpriced and hard to clean and not hot enough Aero Late machines.... milk 40 seconds in the microwave and this little mixer and hey presto, coffee just as good as out of our CHF 5,000 office jura machine.

https://www.fust.ch/de/p/kuechengera...0-8090957.html
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LOL, sorry not to be on EF every minute, waiting to be asked something
You seem to misread context. I obviously wasn't expecting any instant reply, it was just a cue for you to respond... whenever you felt like it.

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It's not crap! It's like Tom1234 says: You will have to get the hang of it. The guy on the video probably practiced quite a while to make it look that easy.
Actually you made it sound like the milk frother was essentially not fit for purpose and even said you are buying a new separate milk frother. Otherwise why wouldn't you just "get used to" the delonghi one if that's all it takes?
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chucked out the last of my Nespresso machines as don't think their coffee is anywhere like as good as it once was, their shops are style over substance.

Now it's Nescafé Dolce Gusto - Grande Intenso. Great flavour. Machines don;t look as cool but would rather have much better flavour.

Also had my fill of overpriced and hard to clean and not hot enough Aero Late machines.... milk 40 seconds in the microwave and this little mixer and hey presto, coffee just as good as out of our CHF 5,000 office jura machine.

https://www.fust.ch/de/p/kuechengera...0-8090957.html
Same company re coffee though.

I received my frother. Oh yes, yes, yes! This is it!
Severin - lacks all the faults the nespresso frother has: You can froth larger amount of milk, you can do it cold and hot (3 different degrees of hot), you can take the milk-pot off and clean it easily and properly, you can even chuck it in the dishwasher (stainless steel). It's not small but not as bulky as I expected it to be from the pictures. It's very light (which doesn't really matter, LOL, as I won't carry it around). If you got more milk than needed and want to use it for the next coffee: Just turn it on again. Ah yeah, it turns off automatically and no, the beep is not as loud as some people claim in their references.

First thing I made (within seconds) was a café frappé. YES!
Next: Café au lait - or as we say in this part of Switzerland, a "Schale", it was basically a cappuccino. Look at this (yes, I know, wrong cup ):

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How much is that in the restaurant? And most times with crap coffee?

I was pondering my desire for café frappé in summer, hot chocolate and Lumumbas in winter and how my lazyness prevents me from enjoying them. Yes, I came accross the microwave as a solution. I tried to make a pro/contra list re microwave and quickly confirmed: I really, really don't want to have a microwave

So this is the one. The price difference to amazon.de is the price of the plug you'll need, which nettoshop throws in for free (obviously as they can't sell it here without). English description.

Richdog, you probably won't want to pay the price for this. My coffee desires (and that of my guests) are herewith thoroughly covered - for a long time as all machines are good quality. Guests won't even notice what's happening as their perfect milk-coffee will be done within a minute or two (the frother froths while the coffee machine pures out the coffee).

I'll drink lots of milk next winter and turn very, very fat. Ah well .... I'm very pleased. So good luck with your search and choices, folks, hope you'll end up just as happy.
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Same company re coffee though.

I received my frother. Oh yes, yes, yes! This is it!
Severin - lacks all the faults the nespresso frother has: You can froth larger amount of milk, you can do it cold and hot (3 different degrees of hot), you can take the milk-pot off and clean it easily and properly, you can even chuck it in the dishwasher (stainless steel). It's not small but not as bulky as I expected it to be from the pictures. It's very light (which doesn't really matter, LOL, as I won't carry it around). If you got more milk than needed and want to use it for the next coffee: Just turn it on again. Ah yeah, it turns off automatically and no, the beep is not as loud as some people claim in their references.

First thing I made (within seconds) was a café frappé. YES!
Next: Café au lait - or as we say in this part of Switzerland, a "Schale", it was basically a cappuccino. Look at this (yes, I know, wrong cup ):

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How much is that in the restaurant? And most times with crap coffee?

I was pondering my desire for café frappé in summer, hot chocolate and Lumumbas in winter and how my lazyness prevents me from enjoying them. Yes, I came accross the microwave as a solution. I tried to make a pro/contra list re microwave and quickly confirmed: I really, really don't want to have a microwave

So this is the one. The price difference to amazon.de is the price of the plug you'll need, which nettoshop throws in for free (obviously as they can't sell it here without). English description.

Richdog, you probably won't want to pay the price for this. My coffee desires (and that of my guests) are herewith thoroughly covered - for a long time as all machines are good quality. Guests won't even notice what's happening as their perfect milk-coffee will be done within a minute or two (the frother froths while the coffee machine pures out the coffee).

I'll drink lots of milk next winter and turn very, very fat. Ah well .... I'm very pleased. So good luck with your search and choices, folks, hope you'll end up just as happy.
I'm very pleased for you. And you can always use skim milk if you don't want to get fat (it froths better than full cream, anyway). But... 87 freakin' francs??!!!??? For a little frothy thingy?! Deutsche Qualität...
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Re: Coffee Machine recommendation ?

I have the Jura Milk frother its even more expensive at around 95 Francs, but it was a gift, from a very generous friend Works much better then the Nespresso one they give away free with some of the machines. Although I do find that a hand held bodum one or similar and a milk pan is the best way to froth milk.

btw I am not a frothy milk guy, the missus is. Not a guy, but into frothy milk I mean.

22 yards is correct semi and skimmed milk works the best.
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Yep, as mentioned elsewhere, I use a mechanical Bodum-style frother—looks like a small cafetière and does the job beautifully, whether for hot or cold milk (I use a microwave to heat the milk—quelle horreur!—but then again I come from a practical country where we toss unproven conspiracy theories out the window).

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You have not been here long enough, there is a saying: "Was nüüt choscht, isch nüüt".

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It's not some conspiracy theory or health freak attitude why I don't want a microwave. I simply have absolutely no use for it - except for warming milk and I HATE stuff standing around, so a 40x30xwhatever box for warming milk? FORGET it! LOL.
Btw. I had a microwave once - when it was not a common thing to have here - I hardly ever used it and one day it went up in yellow smoke.
Still wonder why the smoke was yellow and the flat stank somewhat chemical for days on end. However, I didn't miss it after.
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You have not been here long enough, there is a saying: "Was nüüt choscht, isch nüüt".
Oh don't worry, I'm all too familiar with the Swiss concept of equating high prices with high quality. But I'm not Swiss, and amazingly, haven't been brainwashed yet.

Although obviously a CHF 100.- dry aged rib of beef in Baselland is obviously multiples better in every way than a €12 dry aged rib of beef in Weil am Rhein.
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Oh, and rumour has it that microwaves can be used to heat foods other than milk, too! Cooking, reheating, all done in a few seconds rather than tens of minutes or hours.

You wouldn't need that pressure cooker you've been obsessing over if you had a microwave oven.

I admit, though, that if your experience of microwaves is limited to the 40 × 30 x not much boxes available in Swiss shops, you are likely to be very disappointed. Mine is a decent piece of kit that I can roast a chicken in (in a few short minutes). And yes, it comes out brown. Like coffee (the thread has now come full circle, back on track ).
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You wouldn't need that pressure cooker you've been obsessing over if you had a microwave oven.

I admit, though, that if your experience of microwaves is limited to the 40 × 30 x not much boxes available in Swiss shops, you are likely to be very disappointed. Mine is a decent piece of kit that I can roast a chicken in (in a few short minutes). And yes, it comes out brown. Like coffee (the thread has now come full circle, back on track ).
LOL, glad you're pleased with your microwave.
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Richdog, you probably won't want to pay the price for this. My coffee desires (and that of my guests) are herewith thoroughly covered - for a long time as all machines are good quality. Guests won't even notice what's happening as their perfect milk-coffee will be done within a minute or two (the frother froths while the coffee machine pures out the coffee).

I'll drink lots of milk next winter and turn very, very fat. Ah well .... I'm very pleased. So good luck with your search and choices, folks, hope you'll end up just as happy.
Well I got my machine and tried it last night and this morning. It has some very annoying quirks for example with the milk frother where once the frother has been used for around a minute (not long enough to heat the milk) then it suddenly stops working until you turn the machine off and on again. When you do that and finish with the frother then the expresso lights blink for ages while the heating element cools down... yet if you turn the machine off and on again then it is instantly ready for use and you can run the expresso.

I did some research online and it seems like a common problem with these machines so I will check the workarounds and then if no joy maybe I will get it replaced. https://www.productreview.com.au/qa/...ca-ec680m.html

The expresso I get from the ESE pods tastes good but the default shot seems quite small and weaker than in coffee shops. I will also buy some ground coffee and try that as I think that will make a big difference.

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You wouldn't need that pressure cooker you've been obsessing over if you had a microwave oven.

I admit, though, that if your experience of microwaves is limited to the 40 × 30 x not much boxes available in Swiss shops, you are likely to be very disappointed. Mine is a decent piece of kit that I can roast a chicken in (in a few short minutes). And yes, it comes out brown. Like coffee (the thread has now come full circle, back on track ).
We are happy you like your microwave cooking, but, objectively speaking, I doubt many people are interested to read at length about how you 'cook' (looool) with it... in a coffee machine thread.
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Well I got my machine and tried it last night and this morning. It has some very annoying quirks for example with the milk frother where once the frother has been used for around a minute (not long enough to heat the milk) then it suddenly stops working until you turn the machine off and on again. When you do that and finish with the frother then the expresso lights blink for ages while the heating element cools down... yet if you turn the machine off and on again then it is instantly ready for use and you can run the expresso.
I think I read something about using the frother too long but don't quite remember. I did it about two weeks ago and had no problems (except I didn't like that some water went into the milk as well).

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I did some research online and it seems like a common problem with these machines so I will check the workarounds and then if no joy maybe I will get it replaced. https://www.productreview.com.au/qa/...ca-ec680m.html
You mean you will use it for a while, then try to return it and start a thread in the rant-section because they will not comply?

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The expresso I get from the ESE pods tastes good but the default shot seems quite small and weaker than in coffee shops. I will also buy some ground coffee and try that as I think that will make a big difference.
As far as I know you can change the size of shot, I don't remember if I did that, it's been a while. My machine perfectly fills my espressi-cups.
As to the taste: It's the coffee, definitely the coffee. I reported somewhere that I put a lot of effort in making a choice. Mine is absolutely loved by most people - including Arabs, LOL - and was a complete knock-out for a neighbour who has not been back for coffee yet. ROFL. He will be though, now that I can make hime a cappuchino that takes the edge off and prevents him from having a heart attack.

I'm sorry I can't really help you with this as I absolutely love my deLonghi. I did make a project out of this coffee-thing though and all before I actually bought (apart from the start, when I got the Bialetti and fate was kind enough to make sure it was not working so I had time to realize, it was not what I wanted anyway. )

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We are happy you like your microwave cooking, but, objectively speaking, I doubt many people are interested to read at length about how you 'cook' (looool) with it... in a coffee machine thread.
Well, it wasn't at lenth. I've seen worse diversions plus I think I was the first to mention the microwave further up.
Not to mention that I was amused - and astonished once again although I should be used to it by now - that it is not possible to just say "I don't want xx" without someone immediately doing a remote analysis on my reasons (tinfold hat and lack of knowledge of the capabilities of the tool I don't want to own) or if I say I like free space and don't want a big box in my kitchen, being told I should get an even bigger one.
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You mean you will use it for a while, then try to return it and start a thread in the rant-section because they will not comply?
I meant exactly what I said.


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As far as I know you can change the size of shot, I don't remember if I did that, it's been a while. My machine perfectly fills my espressi-cups.
As to the taste: It's the coffee, definitely the coffee. I reported somewhere that I put a lot of effort in making a choice.
Yeah I think the shot size is programmable, and also I should first measure how much liquid is produced in the single and double shots as it should be around 30ml and 60ml.

Also, what coffee do you use just out of interest?

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Well, it wasn't at lenth. I've seen worse diversions plus I think I was the first to mention the microwave further up.
Not to mention that I was amused - and astonished once again although I should be used to it by now - that it is not possible to just say "I don't want xx" without someone immediately doing a remote analysis on my reasons (tinfold hat and lack of knowledge of the capabilities of the tool I don't want to own) or if I say I like free space and don't want a big box in my kitchen, being told I should get an even bigger one.
Maybe I should rephrase it to "Anyone who is not 22 yards or curley has no interest in reading an extended discourse about microwave food cooking in a coffee machine thread".
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Well I got my machine and tried it last night and this morning. It has some very annoying quirks for example with the milk frother where once the frother has been used for around a minute (not long enough to heat the milk) then it suddenly stops working until you turn the machine off and on again. When you do that and finish with the frother then the expresso lights blink for ages while the heating element cools down... yet if you turn the machine off and on again then it is instantly ready for use and you can run the expresso.

I did some research online and it seems like a common problem with these machines so I will check the workarounds and then if no joy maybe I will get it replaced.
Try heating your metal milk jug up as well as your coffee cup with boiling water before using. Might find the milk foams quicker, before the frother nozzle cuts out.
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....... Also, what coffee do you use just out of interest?
I use "Roma" by Kaffee-Rösterei Küng, Winterthur.
They have an online shop too. But seriously, you need to try the different coffees first. You can that there, by the way.

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Maybe I should rephrase it to "Anyone who is not 22 yards or curley has no interest in reading an extended discourse about microwave food cooking in a coffee machine thread".
Must be amazing to speak for the entire world apart from 22yards and me. I can usually only speak for myself. And maybe one other person who told me to do so occasionally.
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... how you 'cook' (looool) with it
Is that like 'making coffee' (rofl) with your cheap coffee pods?

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I will also buy some ground coffee and try that as I think that will make a big difference.
Really? Ya think?

Evidently you know nothing about making coffee.

Step 1: Buy an ECM.
Step 2: Buy a grinder. Not some cheap steel Chinese crap.
Step 3: Buy high quality, freshly roasted coffee beans.
Step 4: Do some work to make some coffee.
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Step 1: Buy an ECM.
Step 2: Buy a grinder. Not some cheap steel Chinese crap.
Step 3: Buy high quality, freshly roasted coffee beans.
Step 4: Do some work to make some coffee. If you did 1-3 right, no need for work
Hmmm, not cheap Chinese crap? Thought cheap was your thing?
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Really? Ya think?

Evidently you know nothing about making coffee.

Step 1: Buy an ECM.
Step 2: Buy a grinder. Not some cheap steel Chinese crap.
Step 3: Buy high quality, freshly roasted coffee beans.
Step 4: Do some work to make some coffee.
ESE pods are still better than buying crappy capsules, and as I wrote I am more than willing to move to ground coffee in the curley-approved 'it makes a proper expresso' machine I bought.

PS: lol at you complaining about the price of a foamer and then suggesting to buy an ECM.
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ESE pods are still better than buying crappy capsules, and as I wrote I am more than willing to move to ground coffee in the curley-approved 'it makes a proper expresso' machine I bought.

PS: lol at you complaining about the price of a foamer and then suggesting to buy an ECM.
Now, you shouldn't trust curley, she's weird.
I just saw, you can get pads from Roma. Get a few, try it. For example, I tried Rome forte and did not like it.
I do not know whether coffee in pads tastes different from the beans I freshly grind for every cup! First thought: The material aroun the pad is like an extra filter? So I do not take any responsability. That was my small print

As 22yards and I now make one group and the rest of EF the other (who would have thought that could ever happen ), I allow myself to defend 22yards: He has a frother. He complained about the price of mine.
He probably uses his Bodo to keep a muscle or two in his biceps.
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