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Now, you shouldn't trust curley, she's weird.
I just saw, you can get pads from Roma. Get a few, try it. For example, I tried Rome forte and did not like it.
I do not know whether coffee in pads tastes different from the beans I freshly grind for every cup! First thought: The material aroun the pad is like an extra filter? So I do not take any responsability. That was my small print

As 22yards and I now make one group and the rest of EF the other (who would have thought that could ever happen ), I allow myself to defend 22yards: He has a frother. He complained about the price of mine.
He probably uses his Bodo to keep a muscle or two in his biceps.
Ok so basically you use Kung coffee?
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I just saw, you can get pads from Roma. Get a few, try it. For example, I tried Rome forte and did not like it.
Ok, so basically you use Küng coffee?
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Ok so basically you use Kung coffee?
Nope. There is no such thing as Küng coffee .... although I'm sure the guy would love to grow his own as coffee is his passion.

I use Roma coffee, a special mixture and roast (strenth 4-5 = strong) by Küng Kaffee. By the way, roast 5 my taste buds considered bitter.

Look, there is no simple answer to "the best coffee". I did a lot of research when I decided to get rid of my Nespresso (I don't remember if I reported in details on EF) just to narrow down the amount of things I had to try personally because in the end, coffee is a matter of taste = completely individual.
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Both my husband and me love good coffee and got very bored of the overpackaged capsules after some time. We now use a Zuriga. https://www.zuriga.coffee/shop/

It is a crowdfunded small but quite powerful machine. As crowdfunders, we got her for 700.- but we waited about a year to get her. Now it is around 1400.-

We tried pads, packed ground coffee and handmilling, but finally treated us to the Gilda-coffee-mill. Love it, too.https://gilda.swiss/de/gilda/gilda-kaffeemuhle

Was costly. But since this summer is so summery, we could cancel the costly vacation and just did some enjoyable trips around neighbouring Europe.

We love our coffee! Makes getting up in the morning so much easier.
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ESE pods are still better than buying crappy capsules, and as I wrote I am more than willing to move to ground coffee in the curley-approved 'it makes a proper expresso' machine I bought.

PS: lol at you complaining about the price of a foamer and then suggesting to buy an ECM.
Grind your own coffee, don't buy pre-ground (which nevertheless is several steps above pods), was my point.

If you genuinely want great coffee, and can tell the difference between great, good and run of the mill (pun intended), buy an ECM.

If you can't be arsed to steam your milk, there's little difference between mechanical milk frothers (at least as far as the result goes). Waste your money as you wish, but if you're going to froth your milk mechanically, you may as well invest in one of these from IKEA at CHF 2.95:

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Absolutely. They do a good job.
Only problem is you gotta warm the milk seperately.

Yeah, yeah, you can do that in a microwave .... leave me alone with that thing.

Basically I totally agree: If I had a microwave, I would do it with the throther on the picture. Already got that - which is why I was pondering buying a microwave for a minute or two.

Richdog: Do you have a microwave? If so, problem solved. (Do not buy one only for warming milk )
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Nope. There is no such thing as Küng coffee .... although I'm sure the guy would love to grow his own as coffee is his passion.

I use Roma coffee, a special mixture and roast (strenth 4-5 = strong) by Küng Kaffee.

Look, there is no simple answer to "the best coffee". I did a lot of research when I decided to get rid of my Nespresso (I don't remember if I reported in details on EF) just to narrow down the amount of things I had to try personally because in the end, coffee is a matter of taste = completely individual.
I am not asking what the best coffee is, I was curious to know which one you decided on after all your research.

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Grind your own coffee, don't buy pre-ground (which nevertheless is several steps above pods), was my point.

If you genuinely want great coffee, and can tell the difference between great, good and run of the mill (pun intended), buy an ECM.

If you can't be arsed to steam your milk, there's little difference between mechanical milk frothers (at least as far as the result goes). Waste your money as you wish, but if you're going to froth your milk mechanically, you may as well invest in one of these from IKEA at CHF 2.95:

I was only teasing, 22y. Ultimately, I am not looking for the 'absolute best' that coffee can bring me, I am looking for the best balance of convenience vs quality. So far, it's looking like the Delonghi 685 + ground coffee is that solution. If necessary I would also consider the automatic milk heater/frother as I do drink primarily lattes and cappucinos.

Yeah sure, it's not a cheap solution, but considering considering cappucinos average around 7chf in a Zurich cafe it will only take me 30 -40 or so before I make my money back.
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I am not asking what the best coffee is, I was curious to know which one you decided on after all your research.
I told you. I even linked the pad-version of the exact coffee from the exact supplier.
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I am looking for the best balance of convenience vs quality... I do drink primarily lattes and cappucinos.
So the answer is a De'Longhi Latissima machine. Yes, it uses Nespresso-compatible capsules. But it's undeniably convenient, the milk container pops off for storage in the fridge, it steam-cleans all the milk lines so you don't get foul, unearthly organisms in your coffee, and they're all dishwasher safe anyway.

If you're going to drown your coffee in milk, you honestly won't tell the difference in quality between great and good, and there are far better coffee capsules out there than Nespresso (and a lot cheaper too).

There you go, problem sorted for less than CHF 300, all up (just over CHF 200 if you can live without touch screens and shiny metal).

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ISo far, it's looking like the Delonghi 685 + ground coffee is that solution. If necessary I would also consider the automatic milk heater/frother as I do drink primarily lattes and cappucinos.

Yeah sure, it's not a cheap solution, but considering considering cappucinos average around 7chf in a Zurich cafe it will only take me 30 -40 or so before I make my money back.
It is actually, as far as decent pump-action espresso makers are concerned, a cheap option.
(I don't mean cheap as in rubbish but cheap as at the lower end of the price scale).

I spent a lot more than that and still consider mine at the lower end of the price scale - especially as I didn't need to buy a seperate grinder (it's this but without a Swiss-quality brand name as it's actually an Australian design).



I know people who question spending 600 to 1000 CHF to make coffee but then don't blink when they spend 600 to 1000 CHF on an iPhone when as far as features are concerned, could spend a couple of 200 CHF and get the same feature set).

If you do want half decent coffee then you'll need to invest in a grinder (a burr grinder) as pre-ground beans will not stay fresh for long and won't produce a fine espresso with a good crema and taste.

If you want an espresso to use as a benchmark then you'll need to get a trip to Italy, possibly Australia and just a few other places.

My next machine will be more upmarket but I'll want to play with them before purchasing.
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I told you. I even linked the pad-version of the exact coffee from the exact supplier.
I know you did Curley... it's that context thing again, never mind and thanks.

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I look at the device too but it had a pretty bad failure rate according to review and the milk frother was complained about as not frothing very well.

I actually kind of like the way of preparing things with the delonghi 685, it has at least a slight barrista-esque element to it which I quite enjoy, and it's also easy to clean, so I will stick with it and see how I get along over the next couple of weeks.

Thanks for all the advice though guys and I will update this thread as and when I have something utterly un.-momentous to share.

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It is actually, as far as decent pump-action espresso makers are concerned, a cheap option.
(I don't mean cheap as in rubbish but cheap as at the lower end of the price scale).

I spent a lot more than that and still consider mine at the lower end of the price scale - especially as I didn't need to buy a seperate grinder (it's this but without a Swiss-quality brand name as it's actually an Australian design).



I know people who question spending 600 to 1000 CHF to make coffee but then don't blink when they spend 600 to 1000 CHF on an iPhone when as far as features are concerned, could spend a couple of 200 CHF and get the same feature set).

If you do want half decent coffee then you'll need to invest in a grinder (a burr grinder) as pre-ground beans will not stay fresh for long and won't produce a fine espresso with a good crema and taste.

If you want an espresso to use as a benchmark then you'll need to get a trip to Italy, possibly Australia and just a few other places.

My next machine will be more upmarket but I'll want to play with them before purchasing.
I actually do have a grinder that I use for spices, so that is also an option I can look at when I get more used to the process. The good thing is that the machine I have is one I can grow into because it allows all of this stuff.
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I actually do have a grinder that I use for spices, so that is also an option I can look at when I get more used to the process.
Noooooooo!!!!!!!!

Or should that be "Stop trolling!!!!"?

Is it a burr grinder? Ceramic? Do you like cardamom-flavoured coffee? Or coffee-flavoured sauces? Then buy a decent, non-steel-Chinese-crap coffee grinder!
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I actually went for a conical grinder. Lower rotational frequency = less heat than with a burr grinder (if a burr grinder is a "Scheibenmahlwerk".
I also decided against ceramic but I don't remember why. Could have been the price. And also, as I grind my coffee for each cup with above mentioned system, I guess the temperature difference to ceramic is neglectable. They say ceramic last longer but I'm not sure about that .... I got ceramic knifes that went blunt

Yes, I did detailed research on the grinder too. I'm actually pondering charging the hours here.

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Or should that be "Stop trolling!!!!"?

Is it a burr grinder? Ceramic? Do you like cardamom-flavoured coffee? Or coffee-flavoured sauces? Then buy a decent, non-steel-Chinese-crap coffee grinder!
If you get a mod-attack and delete this thread I will come find you irl. And no, this is not a great chance to meet me.
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Or should that be "Stop trolling!!!!"?

Is it a burr grinder? Ceramic? Do you like cardamom-flavoured coffee? Or coffee-flavoured sauces? Then buy a decent, non-steel-Chinese-crap coffee grinder!
I actually lol'd when I read this.

I haven't actually used my electric Bosch coffee grinder for spices yet (it's brand new) so it should be safe for now. It's this one https://www.amazon.de/Bosch-MKM6003-...s=kaffeemahler

I will look into the burr grinders too!
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I actually lol'd when I read this.

I haven't actually used my electric Bosch coffee grinder for spices yet (it's brand new) so it should be safe for now. It's this one https://www.amazon.de/Bosch-MKM6003-...s=kaffeemahler

I will look into the burr grinders too!
This is not good for coffee (yeah, I know the website says so). Use it for your spices.
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I will look into the burr grinders too!
They're much better. Yours cuts rather than grinds.

However, cheap burr grinders aren't much good either. I have one that I use for cafetiere coffee which requires a much coarser grind than espresso but it cannot grind fine enough for espresso.
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O.M.G...

Ok guys, well yesterday I went and bought some beans (Caruso Gusto Italiano Espresso https://produkte.migros.ch/caruso-espresso-bohnen-500g) and this morning used my 'awful' electric cutting grinder and holy feck... what an amazing difference vs the ESE pods, you can hardly even compare them! I used a double shot of ground beans and the corresponding button on the machine and it is very strong and delightfully rich tasting coffee that is more delicious than any coffee shop coffee that I have had in recent memory!

The milk frother is still crazily temperamental (my drink came out somewhere between a cappucino and a flat white) and the machine is still quirky and random as hell with 'allowing' it to work, seemingly at random... I will call delonghi to ask whats up.

I have certainly taken the first major step to morning coffee nirvana. I have ordered a steel milk frothing jug and a manual burr grinder, but to be honest I doubt I will notice a huge difference over the electric grinder until I become more accustomed to the coffee and refined in my tastes, because it is already a massive quantum leap above the ESE pods and kicks the crap out of my work coffee machine.
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Ok guys, well yesterday I went and bought some beans (Caruso Gusto Italiano Espresso https://produkte.migros.ch/caruso-espresso-bohnen-500g) and this morning used my 'awful' electric cutting grinder and holy feck... what an amazing difference vs the ESE pods, you can hardly even compare them! I used a double shot of ground beans and the corresponding button on the machine and it is very strong and delightfully rich tasting coffee that is more delicious than any coffee shop coffee that I have had in recent memory!

The milk frother is still crazily temperamental (my drink came out somewhere between a cappucino and a flat white) and the machine is still quirky and random as hell with 'allowing' it to work, seemingly at random... I will call delonghi to ask whats up.

I have certainly taken the first major step to morning coffee nirvana. I have ordered a steel milk frothing jug and a manual burr grinder, but to be honest I doubt I will notice a huge difference over the electric grinder until I become more accustomed to the coffee and refined in my tastes, because it is already a massive quantum leap above the ESE pods and kicks the crap out of my work coffee machine.
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O.M.G...

Ok guys, well yesterday I went and bought some beans (Caruso Gusto Italiano Espresso https://produkte.migros.ch/caruso-espresso-bohnen-500g) and this morning used my 'awful' electric cutting grinder and holy feck... what an amazing difference vs the ESE pods, you can hardly even compare them! I used a double shot of ground beans and the corresponding button on the machine and it is very strong and delightfully rich tasting coffee that is more delicious than any coffee shop coffee that I have had in recent memory!

The milk frother is still crazily temperamental (my drink came out somewhere between a cappucino and a flat white) and the machine is still quirky and random as hell with 'allowing' it to work, seemingly at random... I will call delonghi to ask whats up.

I have certainly taken the first major step to morning coffee nirvana. I have ordered a steel milk frothing jug and a manual burr grinder, but to be honest I doubt I will notice a huge difference over the electric grinder until I become more accustomed to the coffee and refined in my tastes, because it is already a massive quantum leap above the ESE pods and kicks the crap out of my work coffee machine.
Glad all the time invested yesterday had a some positive effect.

You will notice a huge difference over the electric grinder. I had a manual at first - the coffee consumption drops drastically.

Did you expect the machine to improve on frothing milk since yesterday? Got news for you: It's you who will have to improve handling it.

You did not answer my question whether you have a microwave (or I overlooked it), which would mean no further investments necessary. (Don't use the steel milk frothing jug in it though ).
If not, just to tease you, I already had my first café frappé, yummmy. After the two plain, black espressi I still start my days with.

I must say, it is kind of fascinating to watch how you approach things. I always thought impulsive shopping was attributed to the female population. Now you ordered a steel milk frothing jug which you will have no use for once you decided to use the microwave or buy a Severin.

It's gonna be an other entertaining day on the coffee machine thread, no doubt.
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I wouldn't normally answer these daft comments but I feel I owe you some replies for helping me with my choices so here goes my one time of indulging you...

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Did you expect the machine to improve on frothing milk since yesterday? Got news for you: It's you who will have to improve handling it.
The frother is bugged, there are plenty of reports on the internet about it. Even when the light is steady, it takes several turns of my switch before it actually stays on. Sometimes it randomly cuts off after 10 seconds then needs a restart. It does not exhibit the behaviour in any of the videos I have seen. So to answer your question, no I didn't magically expect it to deliver perfect froth, I am just finding out about the bugs and quirks the more I use it.

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Yes, I have a microwave. No, I don't want to use it for this purpose.

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Maybe we have different lifestyles and definitions of the phrase, but I do not call spending 10chf on a steel milk jug "impulsive shopping", considering they are 100% standard when making milk-based coffee drinks in coffee shops. It's a small and inexpensive accessory that I needed to get the most out of what I am doing, nothing more and nothing less.

There you go.
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