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Coffee Machine recommendation ?

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I want to make the move from capsule coffee machine to machine that you put beans in.. An automatic machine i think it's called.. You put beans in top and get coffee out from the bottom.

I want a steam thing and a milk thing .. But the main thing is just nice naked coffee. Usually I will not use the milk or steam but Mrs H will.

I'm not ready to spend 3-5k on a fancy Jura machine. More in the region of 500..

So what do I buy.. ?
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Where do you put this question .. Which forum..

I want to make the move from capsule coffee machine to machine that you put beans in.. An automatic machine i think it's called.. You put beans in top and get coffee out from the bottom.

I want a steam thing and a milk thing .. But the main thing is just nice naked coffee. Usually I will not use the milk or steam but Mrs H will.

I'm not ready to spend 3-5k on a fancy Jura machine. More in the region of 500..

So what do I buy.. ?
You buy a filter coffee machine and a grinder.

The low end automatics don't last very long, in my experience.
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So what do I buy.. ?
I've always found something like this to be more than adequate
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I've always found something like this to be more than adequate
*cough*... Where did you say you were from again?
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Re: Coffee Machine recommendation ?

There's always this, of course ...

http://www.oncoffeemakers.com/images...r-21485270.jpg

Quite a lot of change from 500.
Enough to buy an electric grinder and some r-e-a-l-l-y good beans!

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Re: Coffee Machine recommendation ?

Not all Jura machines are 3-5K. We have one similar to this (earlier version) and love it. We've had it for about 4 years now:

https://www.fust.ch/de/p/kuechengera...r-8184656.html

It is over the 500 you mentioned, but imo well worth it. Also you get a free bag of coffee each month for a year if you buy at Fust. If you're a UBS club member, you can even pay with the rebate "money" they send you on a regular basis.

This machine is compact and quiet compared to the cheaper machines. There's no separate frother, which is not a big deal for us. Instead you put milk in a separate container like a measuring cup and attach a tube to make your cappuccino or latte macchiato. For a quick, nice, foamy normal coffee the machine is perfect. You can also make tea. The tube you see on the right is the one for hot water.

Maintenance-wise, we've never had to send it in. We use a cleaning pill about once every 6 weeks, and the de-calcifying pill about every 8 weeks. The machine tells you when it needs one or the other.

If nothing else, stop by the stores that sell machines and have a free cup of coffee or two. Check out how the machines perform, if they give a nice foam, how noisy they are, and how easy it is to remove trays and water tanks, etc. in order to clean.
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The low end automatics don't last very long, in my experience.
Sadly, neither do the higher end machines made today.

Had a fantastic full automatic Soli for over 15 years. Was heartbroken when I found they no longer made these machines.

We bought a Krups that lasted 6 months. When the shop got tired of repairing it the third time we switched to a Jura. This one has 'only' been in for repairs once in the last year...

The software means you cannot troubleshoot it on your own. I will be surprised if this Jura lasts three years.

Oh, for my old all metal mechanical hulk of a Soli.

That said, both the Jura and Krups made a good cup of coffee. I'll always prefer coffee made from fresh beans, and a Vollautomat is awfully convenient.

Whatever you buy, make sure you try coffee made from that machine before buying.

Just be aware that now that most machines have traded robustness for overly complicated gimmickry, even at the higher end.
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Re: Coffee Machine recommendation ?

Let me qualify the requirement a little more..

I'm fed up with capsules because a: I think they all taste much the same, b: they are expensive, c: if i cared about the environment, they are probably bad, d: i think the machine looks shite.

I already have a plunge jug - it's great for six people around the breakfast table.

I already have the little kettle thing -- best coffee, absolutely great but it's messy and no fancy milk steam crap.

So the new machine should make me a great naked coffee at 5.30 in the morning. Then make all the fancy stuff later when the sun comes up and the ladies come around for a chat.
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Re: Coffee Machine recommendation ?

We have a Saeco which we bought a Fust. It has all of the options you are looking for. Often machines which have been replaced with a later model are reduced so you may find a machine well within your budget.


I should add that it is not a quiet machine (the loudest part is the grinding of the beans) so if you are not intending to wake anyone else at 5:30 am this might be something to consider.

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Re: Coffee Machine recommendation ?

We have a Delonghi Eletta and have been very happy with it.
We paid around 400chf for it in Interdiscount ( with one of their voucher things) around this time last year as they were probably about to bring out a newer model.

It does all the things you want it to and is a doddle to clean unlike some if the milk frothing cappuccino making machines.
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Re: Coffee Machine recommendation ?

I know you're against capsules. Since we mostly drink espresso, we have a nespresso. My husband mainlines the sh*t. It's not unusual for him to go through 5 -10 cups each day. we recycle the capsules.

I just want to mention though that we have a deLonghi latissimo, it's got a metal body and we've had the thing for 8 years. I don't know how their other machines stand up to comparison, but I'd take a look.

I've had Gaggia, Bariele (i think), and saeco semi automatics - I keep waiting for this de Longhi to die. Then I decalc it, wash it out and it springs to life again.

I suppose my taste is somewhat unsophisticated if i like the nespresso, but it's better than many espresso/coffees I have had in restaurants. Not all, of course.
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Re: Coffee Machine recommendation ?

We've got one of these. It's not fully automatic but just as fast as an automatic.

You can program the amount of beans that get ground for each cup and the amount of water that goes into both a single and double coffee.

The hopper lifts out if you want to change the beans for another sort.

And it's stainless steel and not plastic.

We got ours in Germany (Gastroback) but they're re-badged as a 'Swiss' product by Solis here. It's actually an Australian design where they have a great coffee culture.

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Re: Coffee Machine recommendation ?

In my experience, there is only one device which makes decent coffee:



Benefits:
- Cheap to purchase and replace
- virtually bulletproof
- you can take it with you wherever you go
- almost no maintenance required
- longevity

Drawbacks:
- You cannot just press a button
- there is no "steam and milk thing"
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You buy a filter coffee machine and a grinder.
Which may be fine for you, just like capsules or instant for some people, but gives a completely different end result. I'm in a holiday let at the moment (on a course) and been making do with a filter coffee machine, using the same brand coffee, and it's nowhere near as good.

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The low end automatics don't last very long, in my experience.
How many have you got through then?

We have a deLonghi Magnifica (old model a bit like this ) in one home and a Coop (Satrap) branded one with exactly the same internals in another. Both give great results and have been in regular use for nearly ten years.

I have had problems, though, with internal corrosion affecting one micro-switch in particular, but it's a relatively straightforward home repair with a 10 franc replacement part. And now, from that experience, I try to avoid leaving the machines switched on for long periods of time if they're not actually being used, as I think it's this that leads to water vapour permeating the internals and causing the corrosion.

Anyway, there are now new models with the same name, starting at around 350 chuffs, so my best advice for the OP would be to get one of those. It may also be worthwhile thinking about an extended warranty if not too expensive. Generally I never take these, but might think about it for a new coffee maker.
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In my experience, there is only one device which makes decent coffee:



Benefits:
- Cheap to purchase and replace
- virtually bulletproof
- you can take it with you wherever you go
- almost no maintenance required
- longevity

Drawbacks:
- You cannot just press a button
- there is no "steam and milk thing"
They now have an induction model too.

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Let me qualify the requirement a little more..
I already have the little kettle thing -- best coffee, absolutely great but it's messy and no fancy milk steam crap.
The answer to all your worries is the italian style jug then.

Coffee grinds 100% recyclable, (put them in compost or onto house plants).
No noise (won't wake the ladies).

If all you want is froth, buy yourself an Aeroccino from any Nespresso shop for around 80 CHFs that has no tubes to clean and gives you a really good top for your cappuccino. (Also silent at 5:30.)

For a minimal investment, you'll get great coffee, won't need to pay extended insurance premiums or worry about descaling a fancy machine. And you'll be able to afford some great coffee.

P.S. Coffee stays hot in the jug for quite a while. Long enough for the caffeine to kick in and get you started on a winter morning.

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Re: Coffee Machine recommendation ?

Contrary to most, I'll reply on topic ;-).

This is the machine I use:
https://www.nettoshop.ch/Haushalt-Kl...rz-/p/IP023099

Full automatic including milk drinks, can make proper Latte Machiato (milk first, then coffee), is easy in maintenance and inexpensive. It also has 2 bean containers so you can use either lighter roast for long coffees or darker for espresso.

The newer model, the Barista TSP is mostly the same, but it has a redesigned grinder which is emptied after every coffee preparation. And it is digital so you can program which coffee is made with which beans.
https://www.nettoshop.ch/Haushalt-Kl...rz-/p/IP063182
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Re: Coffee Machine recommendation ?

This is the one we have.

http://www.delonghi.com/en-int/produ...60b-0132215212

http://www.trustedreviews.com/delong...ino-top-review

http://www.interdiscount.ch/idshop/j...ver/detail.jsf

I don't drink much coffee and just use the preset capucino function but hubby changes different things on it for his coffee when he feels like it or just uses his preset espresso button for his normal preferred option. He used to turn the machine on to warm up and rinse before he had his shower then press the espresso button when he was ready and got an instant, good cup of espresso before he went to the office. No faffing around and no mess to clean up afterwards.

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Contrary to most, I'll reply on topic ;-).

The newer model, the Barista TSP is mostly the same, but it has a redesigned grinder which is emptied after every coffee preparation. And it is digital so you can program which coffee is made with which beans.
https://www.nettoshop.ch/Haushalt-Kl...rz-/p/IP063182
For 988,95 CHF's, I'd say that is actually OFF topic.
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Which may be fine for you, just like capsules or instant for some people, but gives a completely different end result. I'm in a holiday let at the moment (on a course) and been making do with a filter coffee machine, using the same brand coffee, and it's nowhere near as good.


How many have you got through then?

We have a deLonghi Magnifica (old model a bit like this ) in one home and a Coop (Satrap) branded one with exactly the same internals in another. Both give great results and have been in regular use for nearly ten years.

I have had problems, though, with internal corrosion affecting one micro-switch in particular, but it's a relatively straightforward home repair with a 10 franc replacement part. And now, from that experience, I try to avoid leaving the machines switched on for long periods of time if they're not actually being used, as I think it's this that leads to water vapour permeating the internals and causing the corrosion.

Anyway, there are now new models with the same name, starting at around 350 chuffs, so my best advice for the OP would be to get one of those. It may also be worthwhile thinking about an extended warranty if not too expensive. Generally I never take these, but might think about it for a new coffee maker.
Without going into the whole Zen of the perfect coffee thing, the two biggest factors in the taste of a coffee are:
1) What beans you use.
2) How recently those beans were ground.

As to the machines, I've got through two myself in about 21 years, but I also happen to be the kind of guy who people say "You're a handy type of guy, would you have a look at our coffee maker, the shop says it can't be repaired?", so I've probably had about 25 of them apart over the years.

Even amongst the top brands, some are just not very well designed, but some are real workhorses which are relatively easy to put back into service.

Of the ones that I could return to service the three most common faults are
1) Lack of cleaning of the machine.
2) Damage to the control system or sensors.
3) Grinder becoming caked up with bean powder.

If you buy a machine with a weak mechanism and never brush the coffee powder off the mechanism, and vacuum out all the grounds, then the mechanism will eventually give in.

If you aren't careful with filling the water reservoir then the moisture which ends up inside the machine will eventually do do the hoo hooey on you.

To clean the caked powder out of the grinder you usually need to completely disassemble the machine. The cleaning is pretty straightforward, but getting to the bits which need cleaning takes a bit of time and a fair portion of jiggery pokery.

When you are looking at the bottom of the market, go to a shop which has the top of the line ones as well and compare the mechanism. Some of the bottom of the line models are pretty straight clones of the more expensive ones, the easy way to spot this is to put the mechanisms side by side.
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